Retarting overo thread.

[rabbitsfizz]

Shari...Whao, there. Thumbnail size star....roaning??? She's Sabino + Tobiano. No white on head of Tobiano!!!

 

[CAM]

Shari...Whao, there.  Thumbnail size star....roaning???  She's Sabino + Tobiano.  No white on head of Tobiano!!!

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Here's our black tobiano filly. No white??

 

[Secret Hills Ranch]

This is our Overo stallion:

Would you say he is frame?

More pics can be seen here: http://www.secrethillsranch.com/studs/gallery/cinder05/

 

[Songcatcher]

Shari...Whao, there.  Thumbnail size star....roaning???  She's Sabino + Tobiano.  No white on head of Tobiano!!!

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Here's our black tobiano filly. No white??

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I would say this is definately a Tovero, not a strait Tobiano.

 

[lyn_j]

[SIZE=14pt]Yep CAM that is a tovero filly.[/SIZE]

Lyn

 

[Songcatcher]

This is our Overo stallion:

Would you say he is frame?

More pics can be seen here: http://www.secrethillsranch.com/studs/gallery/cinder05/

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He looks to me like he could easily carry Frame. I would definately have him tested before breeding to any mares that had the posibility of being LWO if he were mine.

I was concerned about my Bandit (in avatar). Had him tested and he is negative for LWO which means his blue eyes and crazy markings come from Splash.

 

[Dontworrybeappy]

Here's our "overo"... (Snowcap Appaloosa + splash is the major theory) - we just pulled blood and hair and he'll be tested for black/red/agouti, as well as LWO and Tobiano - mainly to officially rule those patterns out!

 

[Shari]

Shari...Whao, there.  Thumbnail size star....roaning???  She's Sabino + Tobiano.  No white on head of Tobiano!!!

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Yes,, she does have a thumb nail size star,, which has been roaning out since she was born. Other areas of her are also doing this.

OK... She is both?

 

[Songcatcher]

Shari...Whao, there.  Thumbnail size star....roaning???  She's Sabino + Tobiano.  No white on head of Tobiano!!!

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Yes,, she does have a thumb nail size star,, which has been roaning out since she was born. Other areas of her are also doing this.

OK... She is both?

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Tovero is the combination of Tobiano along with any of the "Overo" patterns. So, yes, she is both. Sounds like Tobiano + Sabino.

 

[shane]

i have to aplaud you all i love your horses there my favourite colours there absolutley stunning thank you for sharing

im over here drooling....

 

[Equuisize]

Our lovely Mom, Zoe, unusual facial markings with two blue eyes w/ eyeliner.

She is registered palomino, her Dad is a B&W overo....her mom is solid brown, no white at all with a pinto background, however.

With ZuniTunes, her '05 tovero filly

With Zena, her '04 tovero filly

 

[CAM]

I would say this is definately a Tovero, not a strait Tobiano.

[SIZE=14pt]Yep CAM that is a tovero filly.[/SIZE]Lyn

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Nope, definitely only tobiano; DNA tested as such and no overo in her background. She is out of a grey mare and is homozygous for black. We sure weren't expecting that.

 

[Tapestry Minis]

Even if a horse is LWO neg they can be splash and LWO neg or have sabino. Sabino overo is what is giving your filly her white face

 

[CAM]

Even if a horse is LWO neg they can be splash and LWO neg or have sabino.  Sabino overo is what is giving your filly her white face 

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Another with a star and snip...no LWO, no sabino, no splash, no overo. Yep, a tobiano.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

No, I am sorry, you are wrong. There is no test for Splash and only a very new, still to be totally proven, test for one sort of Sabino, ONLY. The only test for Frame is LWO which is pretty conclusive. The fact that the animal has face white means it has Splash or Sabino, and there is NO test to prove it does not. Testing for Tobiano is difficult- the test for H/Z Tobiano requires parent testing and delving into backgrounds and is only 99% (only

!!) accurate. A horse can prove H/Z for Tobiano and still have Splash and Sabino, and NO way to prove it does not. This is only one of many problems with calling all these totally unrelated patterns "overo".

The first horse looks very much as if she is Splash + Tobiano- the second also, but only because, IME, Sabino does not usually cause a broken face blaze.

Again, Tobiano does NOT have face white.

Face white on a visual Tobiano = the presence of another pattern.

 

[Dona]

I agree 100% with Rabbit, Cam.

There ARE no tests for Splash or Sabino....so your "Tobianos" could not have been tested negative for these. They both appear to be Toveros...and carrying either Sabino or Splash, as well as Tobiano.

In my opinion....it's the Sabino gene that's causing the facial markings here.

 

[Dona]

Our lovely Mom, Zoe, unusual facial markings with two blue eyes w/ eyeliner.She is registered palomino, her Dad is a B&W overo....her mom is solid brown, no white at all with a pinto background, however.

With ZuniTunes, her '05 tovero filly 

With Zena, her '04 tovero filly

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Your mare appears to be a lovely Silver Chestnut....not Palomino. She is much to red to be a Palomino/ Many are mistakenly registered at Palominos...it's pretty common. She has a lovely face & is definitely Overo...either Frame or Splash. Her tovero foal is a real cutie pie!

 

[Sandee]

Wow, didn't know and couldn't find so much information on the "color" when I was registering these spotty characters in pinto. Wish I'd known about you color people before I did it. Here's my colorful three and you can tell me what they should be. First Chip is listed as tobiano:

This is Awesome who is probably wrongly listed as overo (which I read to be no irregular white with no white crossing over back area):

This is Mandy who is listed as Tobiano also but she has some belly white and only a smudge in a whorl on her face (could be bigger with age):

 

[Coventry Lane Farm]

Little Wee Lord of the Ring

Timber Ridges Lesley

Bears Paw Little Rascal ... aka Teaca

Coventrys Midnight Special Edition & Chenterra Blue Bonnet Sioux

 

[Becky]

She has a lovely face & is definitely Overo...either Frame or Splash

I'm going with sabino on that mare! That face marking and the spots in the white on her nose are pretty typical of sabino! However, she could be carrying more than one overo pattern!