A man that lived in my neighborhood

[littlesteppers]

 

[Laura]

I am done with these political threads..
and tired of the McCain/Palin slime-ball speaches they do daily as most of America is also.. Give it up..

I'm with you Mary Lou, but I just have a hard time ignoring the poo-tossing...ugh.

What's the point of this post?...oohh, William Ayers wrote an article praising Obama...ooooohh...run, be afraid!!! Plenty of far right wing wingnuts have drooled all over McCain and Palin on TV, the 'net and in print publications, who CARES!! It doesn't mean anything. If I was SUPREMELY bored and had nothing else to do, I'd go look them up, fortunately, my time is more valuable than that

 

[littlesteppers]

I am done with these political threads..
and tired of the McCain/Palin slime-ball speeches they do daily as most of America is also.. Give it up..

ML..its YOUR forum..want me to stop posting let me know..

 

[tagalong]

I am trying as well, Mary Lou - it would be great to have - you know, actual discussions - and not just endless poo-flinging threads that serve no purpose other than to keep greasing the hamster wheel that spins and spins over the same stuff and never offers anything new or constructive...

Laura - it looks like Obama wrote a short review about a book Ayers wrote about the Juvenile Court System.

So the guy who started out just being in the same neighbourhood ended up being on the same Annenberg Challenge education reform board (that also had some Republicans on it) and was also an professor (of extreme views with a checkered past) who might write such books. And Obama, being a lawyer and a state senator - and also on that board - might have thought the book was good. That's grounds for..... let me think ....nothing.

 

[Danielle_E.]

I am done with these political threads..
and tired of the McCain/Palin slime-ball speaches they do daily as most of America is also.. Give it up..

I'm with you Mary Lou, but I just have a hard time ignoring the poo-tossing...ugh.

What's the point of this post?...oohh, William Ayers wrote an article praising Obama...ooooohh...run, be afraid!!! Plenty of far right wing wingnuts have drooled all over McCain and Palin on TV, the 'net and in print publications, who CARES!! It doesn't mean anything. If I was SUPREMELY bored and had nothing else to do, I'd go look them up, fortunately, my time is more valuable than that

Being I am not American I may be slammed by SOME, getting use to that lately, but I totally agree with you Laura. What is being posted in some threads has nothing to do with debating the policies of each candidate and brings nothing to this forum. This is why in the last few days I feel like Obama will more than likely win for exactly this reason, for the manner in which the republican ticket and some of their supporters are going way off topic of the "issues" that I believe most Americans are concerned about such as "economy", "foreign policy", "security", "healthcare" "housing-crisis" etc. The rest is nothing but pure mud-slinging and has absolutely NOTHING to do with electing a President . Why do some Americans lower themselves to these kind of tactics, why does the republican ticket lower themselves to this?? There is no added-value in this but there certainly is a dowside to it - it alienates not only democrats from listening to what you might have to say, it's also alienating the republicans from who they thought McCain was. This is going to come back to bite you in the behind, big time and you will have nobody to blame but yourselves for the loss, not the media, not Reverend Wright, not Ayers, not CNN, not ...... and the list goes on and on and on

Okay, ready for the slam - get er done.

 

[Matt73]

I am done with these political threads..
and tired of the McCain/Palin slime-ball speaches they do daily as most of America is also.. Give it up..

I'm with you Mary Lou, but I just have a hard time ignoring the poo-tossing...ugh.

What's the point of this post?...oohh, William Ayers wrote an article praising Obama...ooooohh...run, be afraid!!! Plenty of far right wing wingnuts have drooled all over McCain and Palin on TV, the 'net and in print publications, who CARES!! It doesn't mean anything. If I was SUPREMELY bored and had nothing else to do, I'd go look them up, fortunately, my time is more valuable than that

 

[Danielle_E.]

This is the "America" and neighbour that I know to the south of us.

Sometimes the FEW extreme people get all the attention (not talking about people on ths board) the racists, the haters etc.
Here's my reply.

I AM AMERICAN. I came here from another country with my parents who wanted the American dream for their children. I've NEVER commited a crime. I love people of all races. I have a bi-racial marriage and gorgeous half Japanese half caucasian children. Yup, we're truely part of the "melting pot". I'm a Buddhist and America welcomes my practice of that religion. My husband is Catholic and my kids are Christian and Athiest. We all respect each others beliefs and right and that of others. I have one child in private school and one who went to public school and who is now in University. I AM American. I have friends of all races. I am voting for the first time ever in the USA because I gave up my green card for my citizenship 3 years ago . I have the freedom to go to the voting booth without intimidation. I can vote for the candidate of MY choice without fear. I am concerned about how the world views us...I DO care...we are part of the world and Americans are known for their caring, compassion and endless aid we extend to those in need of our help. I want that back. My husband IS AMERICAN. 3rd generation Japanese. His grandparents came here from Japan to Hawaii. During WW2 his grandfather wept when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. He gathered his sons and told them " You ARE American, now you must choose", they all defended their country - America.

I hope whoever becomes our next president can have the full support of his country. Which ever side of the fence we are on before the election, I hope that afterwards we can begin to heal and to become the America the world knows is here. The real America, the American built from every nation and every color and every religion the world has to offer. The caring, loving, compassionate, friend - The UNITED States of America.

 

[LowriseMinis]

So, a lawyer who was involved with the schools thought a book that someone wrote about kids in the judicial system was good? Whoa, stop the press!

 

[Jill]

I hear you, Christine. Also, I don't know about you, but I frequently allow strangers in the neighborhood to host parties for me in their living room, too (puh-leeze!), and all the better if they are former terrorists.

Funny that some are "through" now having posts at least as much "questionable" contributions from outside sources as anyone I can think of. Oh well.

 

[littlesteppers]

I hear you, Christine. Also, I don't know about you, but I frequently allow strangers in the neighborhood to host parties for me in their living room, too (puh-leeze!), and all the better if they are former terrorists.
Funny that some are "through" now having posts at least as much "questionable" contributions from outside sources as anyone I can think of. Oh well.

Well I agree..I do not consider it mudslinging..Just posted a ebook written by Ayer..endorsed By Obama and if you noted its endorsed by SENATOR Obama..meaning it was AFTER 2004! Oh well..

 

[Jill]

Mary Lou, I look at both sides of everything important in life. Obama is a smooth and inspiring speaker but like I said before, so was / are Hitler, infomercial hosts, and televanglists. Neil aptly pointed out how Jim Jones was a gifted and motivational speaker. I find substance, experience, honesty, intelligence, bravery, and patrotism in the McCain / Palin ticket.

 

[tagalong]

Funny that some are "through" now having posts at least as much "questionable" contributions from outside sources as anyone I can think of. Oh well.

Funny? I am sorry - that ^^ does not even make sense... but if you are trying to say that some who said they were through with these threads are still posting - guilty as charged. I try to avoid it - but this morning I swallowed the bait. Oh well.

When the bait in other threads is complete misinformation - I'll respond.... but try not to.

Just posted a ebook written by Ayer..endorsed By Obama and if you noted its endorsed by SENATOR Obama..meaning it was AFTER 2004! Oh well..

The book orginally came out in 1998. And if Obama had endorsed it - even later as a Senator - and it was about overthrowing the government - then you would have a point. This was about the juvenile court system - big difference.

 

[Danielle_E.]

are Hitler, infomercial hosts, and televanglists

When you post such things and attribute to one candidate than you have to be prepared for a rebutal.

TSEDONA, Ariz. — Endorsed by an influential Texas televangelist, Republican John McCain endeared himself to one group of voters but risked alienating another with the pastor's anti-Catholic views.
The controversy has been mild so far, but still, every vote counts in a presidential election that is expected to be closely contested.

Evangelical or born-again Christian voters were key to George W. Bush's victories, but so were Roman Catholics, who chose Bush over their fellow Catholic John Kerry in 2004 and over Al Gore in 2000.

The televangelist, San Antonio megachurch leader John Hagee, has referred to the Roman Catholic Church as "the great whore" and called it a "false cult system" and "the apostate church"; the word "apostate" means someone who has forsaken his religion.

He also has linked Adolf Hitler to the Catholic church, suggesting it helped shape his anti-Semitism.

Catholic groups are pressuring McCain to reject the endorsement, which he announced at a news conference with Hagee last week. The Democratic National Committee also is publicizing Hagee's views.

"Indeed, for the past few decades, he has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church," said Catholic League President Bill Donohue.

"Senator Obama has repudiated the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan, another bigot," Donohue said. "McCain should follow suit and retract his embrace of Hagee."

He was referring to Barack Obama, who said he would "reject and denounce" any help from Farrakhan when pressed in last week's Democratic presidential debate.

It remains to be seen how much Hagee's views may hurt McCain's standing among Catholics, a group that can hardly be considered monolithic. Though they lean Republican, their views span the political spectrum and split nearly evenly along party lines.

Despite the recent publicity, Hagee is not well-known outside his sphere of influence, which includes a congregation in the tens of thousands and an even wider television audience.

"What he holds about Catholicism in my mind is despicable," said the Rev. James Heft, religion professor at the University of Southern California. "I totally reject Hagee's view of Catholicism, but I don't know how widely known it is."

If Hagee's views become well-known, the endorsement could hurt McCain among some Catholics.

"If you offend even a small percentage, that could make the difference in an election," Donohue said in an interview Sunday.

Democrats are doing their best to keep the fracas alive, with Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean raising it Sunday on CNN's "Late Edition."

"What about a guy who is a vicious anti-Catholic, who is supporting John McCain, and John McCain does not denounce or reject him?" Dean said.

So far, McCain has enjoyed strong support from Catholics, who make up about a quarter of the electorate.

He won far more of the Catholic vote, 47 percent, than any of his Republican rivals thus far, according to exit polling. Mitt Romney won 30 percent and Mike Huckabee won 9 percent, doing well among Catholics in states where they did well overall, according to exit surveys in 21 presidential primary states.

McCain has been less popular among evangelical or born-again Christians, which is where Hagee comes in. Huckabee, himself a Baptist minister, courted Hagee last year by delivering a sermon at his church. McCain has lost or split support from those voters and is working to bolster his standing.

And McCain is not guaranteed support among Catholics, even though he opposes abortion and the two Democratic candidates, Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, support abortion rights.

While the church places utmost priority on its opposition to abortion rights, U.S. bishops issued voter guidelines last November saying Catholics may vote for someone who favors abortion rights — so long as the voter is not making his or her choice because of the candidate's position on abortion, and if the candidate supports other positions that further the church vision of the common good.

Incidentally, McCain, Obama and Clinton belong to the Protestant faith; McCain was raised Episcopalian but now attends a Baptist church in Arizona.

McCain's response to the controversy has been tepid, Heft said. Following two days of criticism, McCain issued a statement saying only that he doesn't agree with everything Hagee says.

"In no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not," McCain said. Before issuing the statement, he told reporters he was "proud" of Hagee's spiritual leadership of his congregation.

The Arizona senator's reaction stands in contrast to President Bush, who specifically apologized to Roman Catholic leaders for "causing needless offense" when he visited Bob Jones University during the 2000 election. The Greenville, S.C., school teaches that Catholicism is a cult.

McCain's reaction also stands in contrast with his own swift and unequivocal denunciation of a radio talk show host who denigrated Obama last week in Cincinnati. McCain immediately apologized and said he repudiated the statements of the radio host, Bill Cunningham.

Of course, there are differences between the two figures. Hagee is a religious leader; Cunningham is a talk show host. Cunningham made his comments at a campaign event; Hagee's intolerant words and views have come outside the presidential campaign.

Regardless, Heft said McCain should be more specific and more emphatic, and soon.

"You don't want to blow it on simple matters that you could correct," Heft said. "He probably would be wiser just to say he rejects his views on Catholics."

McCain did the right thing by not accepting the endorsement but only did so after feeling pressure to do this.

 

[littlesteppers]

Funny that some are "through" now having posts at least as much "questionable" contributions from outside sources as anyone I can think of. Oh well.

Funny? I am sorry - that ^^ does not even make sense... but if you are trying to say that some who said they were through with these threads are still posting - guilty as charged. I try to avoid it - but this morning I swallowed the bait. Oh well.

When the bait in other threads is complete misinformation - I'll respond.... but try not to.

Just posted a ebook written by Ayer..endorsed By Obama and if you noted its endorsed by SENATOR Obama..meaning it was AFTER 2004! Oh well..

The book orginally came out in 1998. And if Obama had endorsed it - even later as a Senator - and it was about overthrowing the government - then you would have a point. This was about the juvenile court system - big difference.

I gave a crows foot about Ayers..his book with a front page him standing on the american flag...What I DO care about is a HONEST candidate..YOU tell me or show me ONE quote..where Obama says he endorsed a book for Ayers..he said it was a guy lived in his neighbor hood..and this is NOT the only thing he just plain LIED about

 

[Pepipony]

Marylou, I have learned that when politicians spend more time dissing the other guy, its because of 2 things. 1, they dont have enough good ideas themselves to make good play for the win and 2, they dont have enough good ideas to make a good play for the win

 

[tagalong]

...What I DO care about is a HONEST candidate..YOU tell me or show me ONE quote..where Obama says he endorsed a book for Ayers..he said it was a guy lived in his neighbor hood..and this is NOT the only thing he just plain LIED about

Where was he asked if he endorsed a book? It was not a prelude - just a sentence. A book about juvenile court. How is that so alarming??!!

Yeah - we know he downplayed the Ayers thing at first - which was dumb - but as it turned out he was right that people would overreact to the point of calling him a terrorist due to that neighbourhood casual acquaintance and committee/board association.

Politicians never LIE - they .... embellish. Or sidestep. Or other assorted words. Or so they will tell you.

For instance, Palin earnestly assures us that Obama and Ayers "pal around together" to this day... and people nod and agree with her. Only - that is an embellishment.

Both candidates have lied/embellished at times - as do all politicians.

 

[FairytailGlennMinis]

I am SO sick of this whole danged thing. I will be glad when we can all just place our votes and move on with our lives. It is pitting friend against friend, neighbor against neighbor and it is making me ill. I will place my vote and do my part then will respect the decision of the nation and move on with my life. The mudslinging is not representative of Americans...just politicians. Can be move on now...? Really!

 

[Gini]

I am SO sick of this whole danged thing. I will be glad when we can all just place our votes and move on with our lives. It is pitting friend against friend, neighbor against neighbor and it is making me ill. I will place my vote and do my part then will respect the decision of the nation and move on with my life. The mudslinging is not representative of Americans...just politicians. Can be move on now...? Really!

My DH and I voted Absentee so it is over for us. I too will respect and stand behind whom ever this country elects! I have chosen, so in essence all I have to do is wait to find out who wins.

 

[garyo]

Marylou, I have learned that when politicians spend more time dissing the other guy, its because of 2 things. 1, they dont have enough good ideas themselves to make good play for the win and 2, they dont have enough good ideas to make a good play for the win

You really hit the nail right on the head. I couldn't agree more. Seems those staunch supporters of the politicians without the good ideas, can only focus on ridicuous items and refuse to discuss real issues, just rehashing the same tired rhetoric.

Gary

 

[littlesteppers]

Awww Garyo..come on now..you No fun...