The ADS Rulebook states that pneumatic tires and wire spokes ARE allowed at management's discretion...thus, not all allow them, but many do.When buying a cart for CDE, you cannot use pneumatic wheels (no wire spoked wheels). In ADTs you can, but not in any rated CDE.
The ADS Rulebook states that pneumatic tires and wire spokes ARE allowed at management's discretion...thus, not all allow them, but many do.When buying a cart for CDE, you cannot use pneumatic wheels (no wire spoked wheels). In ADTs you can, but not in any rated CDE.
ADS RULEBOOK
Chapter 10 The Vehicle
Article 21
2. Wire wheeled and pneumatic tired vehicles may be permitted in the following classes at
management's discretion.
a. If it is show's first year as an ADS recognized competition.
b. In all pleasure driving classes if the vehicle is an antique wire wheel vehicle (long wire
spokes, hard rubber tires).
c. In maiden, novice or junior pleasure driving classes.
d. In Training Level combined driving events.
Combined Driving (An Explanation) Page 2
by: Maureen Harkcom of Happ's, Inc. ~ Ethel, WA
The vehicle must have wooden, steel or smooth hard rubber wheels (Training level only may be permitted pneumatic tires.)...
High Country International CDE
Pneumatic tires allowed ONLY for Training Level (Article
Beavercreek CDE
Pneumatic tires: Training Level only
BIRDS HILL INTERNATIONAL COMBINED DRIVING EVENT
Non-bicycle type pneumatic tires are allowed at the training level. (Article
915.3.2)
I do believe I've read that it is less frequently allowed on the east coast, but then again, not all CDEs welcome VSEs.
Again, individual events differ, so the moral of the story is, ASK.
By the time you have that first year or even first event inHi Susanne,
That rule states "If it is an ADS first year as recognized", so what happens after that first year?
I think it would make more sense for people who want to do CDE to just make the investment for a cart that can do both pleasure and competitive then to have to sell, rebuy because of tires.....just my opinion, because that is the mistake I made...started out with an easy entry and had to sell and get my smart cart to compete....
I believe that line a. refers to the event being in its first year.Hi Susanne,
That rule states "If it is an ADS first year as recognized", so what happens after that first year?
I think it would make more sense for people who want to do CDE to just make the investment for a cart that can do both pleasure and competitive then to have to sell, rebuy because of tires.....just my opinion, because that is the mistake I made...started out with an easy entry and had to sell and get my smart cart to compete....
Our driving clubs here in Ontario are quite happy to have the VSE's come out with their pneumatic tires. When I suggested that if they allowed them to compete at training level with pneumatic tires that would increase the membership = more money in the club for events. Those that are serious move up in levels and purchase the equipment as necessary.You are right about using pneumatics in training level, only...A lot of CDEs are trying to get the VSEs to attend, but they definitely do not want the hyperbikes, wheel base is too wide and they don't like the "birthing a mini" look..lol...
My smart cart is being converted to a pair's cart, which is pretty versatile and I use it on the trails..so I am totally happy with a cart that can do anything I want....
That picture was titled "Do you think the pupparazzi will recognize us"? It was taken for a calendar...and thank you, the corgi is mine and the pug is my friends...Our driving clubs here in Ontario are quite happy to have the VSE's come out with their pneumatic tires. When I suggested that if they allowed them to compete at training level with pneumatic tires that would increase the membership = more money in the club for events. Those that are serious move up in levels and purchase the equipment as necessary.You are right about using pneumatics in training level, only...A lot of CDEs are trying to get the VSEs to attend, but they definitely do not want the hyperbikes, wheel base is too wide and they don't like the "birthing a mini" look..lol...
My smart cart is being converted to a pair's cart, which is pretty versatile and I use it on the trails..so I am totally happy with a cart that can do anything I want....
Just wanted to say nbark, I like your carriage dogs in your avatar! They're cute!!!
You are right about using pneumatics in training level, only...A lot of CDEs are trying to get the VSEs to attend, but they definitely do not want the hyperbikes, wheel base is too wide and they don't like the "birthing a mini" look..lol...
My smart cart is being converted to a pair's cart, which is pretty versatile and I use it on the trails..so I am totally happy with a cart that can do anything I want....
I've wondered about these in that context. I have one for Turbo which I expect I'll be starting him in but I'm not sure I trust breed show judges to be educated enough to recognize that it's acting as a snaffle and I'd hate to be disqualified for something avoidable. With no curb chain and used on the snaffle ring that connects directly with the bit, a Butterfly is no more a leverage bit than a Myler with bit perch is. And Myler's are certainly allowed!susanne said:We, too, use a french link butterfly...just remember that these are not allowed in the breed show ring (which is quite silly, considering there really is no curb action with any broken mouth bit...)
Old habits are hard to break...they will always be hazards to me!nbark said:When buying a cart for CDE, you cannot use pneumatic wheels (no wire spoked wheels). In ADTs you can, but not in any rated CDE. Also, the marathons are not called hazards anymore, but obstacles, due to PETA making a bit stink about the word "hazards"....just for info only....not trying to step on anyone here..
I hope you will be happy with your choice as it would be wonderful to have a cart that could truly do it all. I tend to agree with Margo however, and there's the additional issue that using a two-wheeled cart for a pair in competition is actually against ADS rules. We have one autumn event up here that has been purposefully kept unsanctioned just so people can start their three year olds a little early or drive their pairs to two-wheelers and get a feel for what the sport is like. Even then, the last pair that drove that way flipped over during cones and took off, dragging the Frontier all the way across the field and behind the barn to their trailer. Thankfully no one was hurt and the horses remained perfectly calm as they galloped off but it could have been quite bad and it spooked the heck out of all the other horses (like mine) who were waiting for the start of marathon.nbark said:I own a smart cart and this can be easily converted to a pairs cart, which is what I am up to at the present time...so they are worth the money. They also carry their value, so if you ever decide to sell it, you can pretty much get most of your investment back.
...My smart cart is being converted to a pair's cart, which is pretty versatile and I use it on the trails..so I am totally happy with a cart that can do anything I want....
The only two things I will warn you about are driver comfort and stability. Once you've put steel wheels on a coil-spring pipe cart like that the ride (what little there was already) turns to stone. I still use mine that way, but it is very uncomfortable across rough ground at speed and I know not everyone's back is as young and forgiving as mine.Minxiesmom said:What are your "collective" opinions on using an American EE with steel wheels for training level and Prelim. I have used my Jerald show cart with 30" wooden wheels and it worked fine. I am thinking it would be lighter to use the EE, and I want to adapt it to use with a collar and lowered draft.
"They" must have multiple personality syndrome...West Coast CDE's have no problem with Hyperbikes and I know of at least one lady back East using one for competition.nbark said:A lot of CDEs are trying to get the VSEs to attend, but they definitely do not want the hyperbikes, wheel base is too wide and they don't like the "birthing a mini" look..lol...
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