Becky
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So, there shouldn't be any height limitations? 40", 50" or even 14 or 15 hand 'miniatures' would be ok?Until we let Minis keep their registration regardless of height, they're not a breed.
So, there shouldn't be any height limitations? 40", 50" or even 14 or 15 hand 'miniatures' would be ok?Until we let Minis keep their registration regardless of height, they're not a breed.
And you will see tons of ads for "Shetland ponies" when they are actually grade ponies with no papersThis is why you look on Craigslist or any other horse classifieds and every horse that isn't registered is called a "Quarter Horse."
So, there shouldn't be any height limitations? 40", 50" or even 14 or 15 hand 'miniatures' would be ok?Until we let Minis keep their registration regardless of height, they're not a breed.
Obviously somewhere along the line QH looks started to change, if not there would be no need for the Foundation Registry.The reason I bring up a set type is because if you go back to what charlotte posted - definition of breed - it goes to consistency Also if you read there is much discussion going on in the Quarter horse breed concerning losing the foundation Quarter horse and a group has already started a foundation quarter horse registry.
I've said it many times but AQHA excluded 3x's as many horses as AMHR/AMHA does and still were considered a breed. In fact it was because they were considered a breed that they had to allow foals from 2 AQHA parents in the registry, even if they were a cremello, tobiano from a embryo transfer.
No, some people may call those horses 'off type' but they would still be Miniature horses if they have two registered Mini parents. And even if you put a picture out there as the perfect Miniature horse, people will never see that certain horses don't match that picture.If AMHA/AMHR does come out with concrete, solid pictures of the miniature horse does that make those that do not meet those ideals not a miniature horse?
They are not allowed registration because they carry a genetic defect that the breed is trying to eliminate from the gene pool. Something similar could someday be done in Miniatures with the dwarf genes...when testing is available and the non-dwarf gene pool increases, those foals carrying the dwarf gene could be denied registration...if a breed chooses to eliminate a genetic defect from its gene pool, anyone trying to fight that in court probably isn't going to win. Someone taking a registry to court to get their "breed"--as in "real breed"--to allow registration for a foal off of two registered parents even if that foal is too tall.....or the wrong color....or if there are too many foals resulting from embryo transfer is probably going to win, and the breed will be forced to allow those foals to have papers.So, there is a rule whereby a foal with two registered parents would not be allowed registration in AQHA. I'm sure that all other registries have rules pertaining to what horses are or are not eligible for registration.
Yes. It's about parentage, not height. I can see where back in the day, when they were developing the Associations, limiting the height of horses to start the gene pool. But now, we have so many horses in the gene pool, we can close the studbook and call it a breed.So, there shouldn't be any height limitations? 40", 50" or even 14 or 15 hand 'miniatures' would be ok?Until we let Minis keep their registration regardless of height, they're not a breed.
Sooooo, how is ok for these breeds to have registration requirements and it's not ok for the AMHA/AMHR miniature horse to have registration requirements?ASPC Rule Book on line
Part 3 – Height for Classic Shetlands
A. To be eligible for registration, the maximum height at
the withers shall not exceed 46”.
Welsh Pony
The Section A pony may not exceed 12.2hh.
Exmoor Pony
Entry in the breed registry requires that the animal has no white markings and is not too tall. They usually stand 11.1 to 12.3 hands (1.13 to 1.25 m), with the height limit for mares being 12.2 hands (1.24 m) and that for stallions and geldings 12.3 hands (1.25 m).
If there was a predictable way to predict height that might be true. But we have all seen that it is not predictable at all. I have a mare that was AMHA. Grew to 35". All A breeding. To date she has never produced a foal over 34" even when bred to my 36.5" ASPC/AMHR stallion. (unfortunately for me as I am breeding for B division)Hypothetically speaking, if the miniature registries allowed oversize horses to retain their registration papers and they were/are used for breeding, then the gene pool would continue to increase in height. Thereby the smaller horses, with smaller parentage would become increasingly more rare, therefore increasing in value. Maybe that's not such a bad idea. smile.gif
A bit off topic, but I did want to point out that in AQHA they are not excluding horses that CARRY the HYPP gene, only those that are homozygous for it. A comparable exclusion in AMHA or AMHR would exclude DWARFS but not carriers of the dwarf gene.Something similar could someday be done in Miniatures with the dwarf genes...when testing is available and the non-dwarf gene pool increases, those foals carrying the dwarf gene could be denied registration
Sooooo, how is ok for these breeds to have registration requirements and it's not ok for the AMHA/AMHR miniature horse to have registration requirements?ASPC Rule Book on line
Part 3 – Height for Classic Shetlands
A. To be eligible for registration, the maximum height at
the withers shall not exceed 46”.
Welsh Pony
The Section A pony may not exceed 12.2hh.
Exmoor Pony
Entry in the breed registry requires that the animal has no white markings and is not too tall. They usually stand 11.1 to 12.3 hands (1.13 to 1.25 m), with the height limit for mares being 12.2 hands (1.24 m) and that for stallions and geldings 12.3 hands (1.25 m).
Charlotte
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