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victoria
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I don't think the laser measuring system is a band aid for good measuring practice. We have had laser measuring here for about the last 10 years with our Royal Agricultural Society. Personally I hate the laser stand and have seen some pretty dodgey measures come out of that box, rarely do I get my horses measured in there now and choose to stay with our national body. The stand is not transportable and must be afixed to a level pad the are not padantic about the horse standing square either. As for the operator not being able to influence the measure - perhaps thats the case however the old argeument of user ability and accuracny and what is the last hair of the mane vrs body hair. As the operators spend most of there time measuring to the withers they expect mini people to not leave body hair so will take end of the longer hair as the last hair of the mane. On a whole our measuring is pretty good. Most people get a true and correct measure and in the instances where the odd biggie is getting though but this is pretty rare and people are getting pinged now when they do step out with one that is boardline.
Sue_C.
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And I have had a horse go over, and lose both his AMHA, and his AMHR papers, when he was a SOLID AMHA bred horse, with a very small back ground. There ya go, from a very nice miniature horse worth a few thousand $$, to an unregistered pony. Yes, I could have spent MORE money and registered him as a "Show Pony", but that means nothing here. At least you can still have your registered miniature to show with...how would you feel had she done as my horse did and grow out of BOTH registries and become a "grade"??
As for
here we don't even show sanctioned shows...but it is my own decision, and honesty that prevented me from misrepresenting my horse in our local shows. But don't you THINK, that the very fact that a horse can go from valuable registered animal, to grade pony in an INSTANT because of a 1/4 to 1/2 an inch...it is very important that it be mesured correctly? How can you not?
MiLo Minis
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I sent an email off to the company that is manufacturing and testing this new lazer measuring device and this is what I got back:
Dear Lori Rafter,
Thank you for you e-mail and interest in our Laser measuring device for equines.
This new developed device has officially been tested by the University with good results.
Even better results then the normal existing measuring sticks.
Some (officially tested) advantages of the new device are:
- compact and therefore easily transportable
- no reading conflicts because of the exact showing value
- more accurate then the existing measuring stick
- easy to use, horse remains calm because of the (smaller) size of the device
Please let me know what your questions are and explain in more detail your interest.
Looking forward to hear from you soon.
Met vriendelijke groet / With best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Ron van Sambeek
Productmanager
Sensor Partners BV
James Wattlaan 7
5151 DP DRUNEN
Postbus 270
5150 AG DRUNEN (NL)
Telefoon: +31 (0)416 – 378239
Fax: +31 (0)416 – 377439
Mobiel: +31 (0)6 – 45522929
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.sensor.nl
Website: www.thermoview.nl
Bezoek onze webshop op www.sensororder.com
Visit our webshop at www.sensororder.com
I cc'd my reply to Jeanne B. so that she can converse with this fellow and get a better idea of the potential of this device. Hopefully she will follow up on it!
Dear Lori Rafter,
Thank you for you e-mail and interest in our Laser measuring device for equines.
This new developed device has officially been tested by the University with good results.
Even better results then the normal existing measuring sticks.
Some (officially tested) advantages of the new device are:
- compact and therefore easily transportable
- no reading conflicts because of the exact showing value
- more accurate then the existing measuring stick
- easy to use, horse remains calm because of the (smaller) size of the device
Please let me know what your questions are and explain in more detail your interest.
Looking forward to hear from you soon.
Met vriendelijke groet / With best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Ron van Sambeek
Productmanager
Sensor Partners BV
James Wattlaan 7
5151 DP DRUNEN
Postbus 270
5150 AG DRUNEN (NL)
Telefoon: +31 (0)416 – 378239
Fax: +31 (0)416 – 377439
Mobiel: +31 (0)6 – 45522929
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.sensor.nl
Website: www.thermoview.nl
Bezoek onze webshop op www.sensororder.com
Visit our webshop at www.sensororder.com
I cc'd my reply to Jeanne B. so that she can converse with this fellow and get a better idea of the potential of this device. Hopefully she will follow up on it!
Jill
Aspiring Cowgirl
Now it's not exactly "news" that the company who makes this device would be responsive and appreciative of an inquiry about it being used with minis. Really
The actual "news" will be the Registries' decision about whether or not to use a different type of measuring device -- and whether or not to really stick (pun?) to their own guidelines when it comes to heights
The actual "news" will be the Registries' decision about whether or not to use a different type of measuring device -- and whether or not to really stick (pun?) to their own guidelines when it comes to heights
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Jill
Not being sarcastic at all here--but I cant understand your attitude tword this. At least Lori is following through and getting more information, getting a director involved etc. Which imo is much better then sitting around complaining but never doing anything to change it. This isnt something that will happen overnight. Im sure after information is gathered etc it will have to be put to convention 2010 and passed by the members and the board.
But it has to start somewhere.
Kay
Not being sarcastic at all here--but I cant understand your attitude tword this. At least Lori is following through and getting more information, getting a director involved etc. Which imo is much better then sitting around complaining but never doing anything to change it. This isnt something that will happen overnight. Im sure after information is gathered etc it will have to be put to convention 2010 and passed by the members and the board.
But it has to start somewhere.
Kay
JMS Miniatures
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Thank you!
Keep up the good work Lori, who knows perhaps you'll change the miniature horse world for the better.
Jill
Aspiring Cowgirl
Kay, don't try to make the thread about me stating my opinions. The way I understand it, comments should really be kept to the topic and not be about an individual member's ability to express a point of view. Expressing a realistic point of view is hardly "sitting around complaining".
I'm just stating what a lot of people have or will think when they see THE "news" is a response from a product manufacturer. Ask me about what I sell, and I'll be responsive, too! We all know that it's the registries that have been unresponsive in this issue for many years and it's only at the registry level that any change will occur. There are not too many of us who honestly think it's too hard to measure a mini properly.
I'm just stating what a lot of people have or will think when they see THE "news" is a response from a product manufacturer. Ask me about what I sell, and I'll be responsive, too! We all know that it's the registries that have been unresponsive in this issue for many years and it's only at the registry level that any change will occur. There are not too many of us who honestly think it's too hard to measure a mini properly.
Just to clarify my "sitting around complaining" was not at all directed to YOU Jill.
Anyway keep up the good work Lori
Im betting there are a lot of us that support what you are doing and please keep us posted with any news!
Kay
Anyway keep up the good work Lori
Kay
Jill
Aspiring Cowgirl
Thanks, Kay. I thought the "Jill" at the top of your post meant you were trying to say something to me.
I'd love it if horses were measured correctly and showed in the appropriate classes and divisions, but I am not wet enough behind the ears to think it's a can't do vs. a don't do issue.
I'd love it if horses were measured correctly and showed in the appropriate classes and divisions, but I am not wet enough behind the ears to think it's a can't do vs. a don't do issue.
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Minimor
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The big grin smilie at the end of the sentence doesn't really reduce the sarcasm, sorry to say...
I'm not sure where anyone said this was "news"?? As I see it Lori was just passing on the response she'd had from the manufacturer, and stating that she had cc'd it on to Jeanne.
Perhaps some "news" will eventually come of this, though quite obviously there are some that hope not!
Jill
Aspiring Cowgirl
I think the root of the problem is that those who hope not are some of the real big dogs and always, they have carried far more sway with the registries than the bulk of the membership. No, it shouldn't be that way, but it IS that way. I've come to the conclusion that it's probably going to take legal action before things really go by the rule books. I'll be the first to admit that I hope that I'm wrong in this and that Lori makes some headway where other well organized groups of members have not been able to in the past.
MiLo Minis
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Just as I thought the "Lori" at the top of your posts meant you were trying to say something to me!
I too am not terribly suprised that I got a response from the company who I am sure is hoping to make a sale (I hope they make that sale!) I am pleased though to be able to pass along a contact that will allow our registry to learn more about the possibilities of this measuring device and this lone, disorganized member hopes that perhaps in the long run it will help with some of the difficulties in measuring or at least to prevent some of the tactics now in use to cheat the stick. I really think that some of the measuring variances result from things such as how much pressure to put on the back of the horse when measuring and horses shrinking away from the arm of the stick, and this would certainly reduce that.
