Good creed(ance)

[Jill]

James, don't confuse me reminding you of the situation with a discussion. You called out to me on the prior page, and I reminded you -- again -- what the status between us is and will be. Maybe you can't get enough of me, but I've had more than enough of you, your name calling meltdowns, your ranting and your baiting.

Thank you for the link, but I have dial up here in the boonies and it took forever just for the cover page to load. I did watch some of the debates and IMO the only one answering questions with solutions was Caine, even though I didn't agree with them at least he didn't beat around the bush with his answers. I haven't watched any in the last few months, too busy.

Cain was my early favorite, in a very big way.

 

[andi]

Jill, my first post was very clearly replying to Debbie, but asked questions to anyone reading the topic and interested in replying.

I asked this question,

"I am trying to understand how the government is responsible for a small businesses success or failure? Is the issue that Obama is too involved, too many restrictions on small business?"

You were the next person to post and no one else had asked for an explanation about how government affects businesses, so your reply was to me.

"If anyone is in the dark as to how things that happen in Washington effect a business, just do some research. Shoot, or come out from under a rock and watch the news. Those things are easier than keeping the doors open and meeting a payroll."

Just because you left my name off Jill does not magically make the readers of this forum idiots who can't follow the conversation and understand that your rude words were most definitely targeted at me.

 

[andi]

I am sorry Jill, but if there is one thing that really does make me want to just start ignoring you it is the CONSTANT editing and changing the entire intent of your posts, AFTER I respond. I replied to you, above, BEFORE you went back and added these lovely words.

"Maybe you can't get enough of me, but I've had more than enough of you, your name calling meltdowns, your ranting and your baiting."

I can not understand why, if my response made you feel this way, you didnt just reply and say this. Instead you went back to one of your previous reply's and added it. The only thing that makes sense is you are trying to make it look like you are ignoring me and are taking the high road by not responding. In reality, you are not taking the high road, you are doing something even more low and dispicable, just in a retroactive way. You are purposely doing this so that the readers who didnt notice the change think I am unjustifiably replying to "old" comments.

 

[andi]

Just to make it clear and slightly on topic. Still no examples or mentions of what actions the current administration has taken to hurt small businesses. For me, this is a fine example of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I would estimate at least 75% of what is hurting Small Businesses, more like 100% for SB like Lil Beg or me, is simply a poor economy and people's mindset in general changing about how frivolous they have been in the past with their money. I am willing to take the personal responsibility for the success or failure of MY COMPANY, and make the changes to fix it and adapt to the economy. That is the personal responsibility that you inherit when you don't work for someone else. If all small businesses would spend more of their time working on that 75 to 100% of the problem and less time shifting the focus and blame to the government then maybe we would see a turnaround in the economy.

 

[Jill]

 

[minimomNC]

I don't post on these anymore because last time I was called a lazy, liberal welfare parasite, which of course I am not since I do work, I am not lazy most of the time and I have never collected welfare. I just have a mind of my own and can think for myself.

So my biggest issue with anything being posted is: instead of telling me why this person or that person is the wrong person to be president, tell me why, in detail with proof, why your candidate would make a great president. And because his isn't Obama is not a good enough reason. I want to know who is the best for the job, not just who is the worst. I want someone I can be proud to vote for, not one that I have to pick the lesser of two evils. So how about real politics instead of name calling.

 

[andi]

Jill, this constant belittleing and devalueing of my entire opinion, under the excuse that I am a having a "meltdown", is completely unfounded and rediculous. While I can to some point understand that you may missunderstand my "tone" because this is all in type, I have clarified over and over again for you that I am not having a meltdown. Everyone of my replies is thought out and directly related to what it is responding to, not just random grasping at emotional straws or diverserionary tactic. Again I am reminded that these words will either be ignored or belittled by you, so again, they are not for your pleasure, but more as a helping hand to guide the other readers through this complicated relationship you and I have.

This tequnique, of devalueing someones voice by trying to get everyone to ignore the "emotional meltdown" seems to remind me very much of the view on women held in the not far off past by many chauvinistic men. Just an interesting observations on how the tables turn so easily and we often never learn from our pasts, just shift the focus and blaim around and around.

Edited to add.

Valuable lesson coming up Son. Don't find out what the problem is, she just needs a bath, divert divert divert ...

 

[Jill]

Media Matters is one of George Soros' toys, Mary Lou. I wouldn't consider it a source of anything other than liberal spin.

 

[andi]

I have never heard of George Soros before but this definitly peaked my interest. Ofcourse, I have not been able to grasp the entire idea of the man or his motives yet, he appears to have quite a history, but so far seems facinating. The idea of an economist whose main passion is not centered on money but philisophy is very exciting.

The below statement about the man leads me to believe this mans interests and "toys" can not be simply summed up and dismissed as "anything other than liberal spin".

Between 1979 and 2011, Soros gave away over $8 billion to human rights, public health, and education causes. He played a significant role in the peaceful transitionfrom communism to capitalism in Hungary (1984–89),and provided Europe's largest higher education endowment to Central European University Budapest.

People are complicated beings that should not be forced into one label or another and then dismissed because of that label. It appears that George Soros is very much a great example of that. I would recomend everybody read up about this person and not just buy into simple attacks on him. So far he seems a facinating man.

Below is a speech he gave, yes Against Bush, but what I find very interesting, if his name wasn't on it I would swear it was a Ron Paul speach.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0928-16.htm

 

[ozymandias]

Valuable lesson coming up Son. Don't find out what the problem is, she just needs a bath, divert divert divert ...

OMG HAHAHAHA James, you have the most warped sense of humor - LOVE IT LOL !!!!

 

[Sonya]

I have never heard of George Soros before but this definitly peaked my interest. Ofcourse, I have not been able to grasp the entire idea of the man or his motives yet

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/george-soros-the-united-states-must-stop-resisting-the-orderly-decline-of-the-dollar-the-coming-global-currency-and-the-new-world-order

So exactly what is it that George Soros is trying to accomplish? Well, in a nutshell, what he wants is a Big Brother-style one world government based on extreme European-style socialism, strict population control and the radical green agenda. It would be a world where the state tightly regulates everything that we do for the greater benefit of the environment and of society as a whole.

 

[Carriage]

"I guess I don't understand why everyone thinks MR will beat Obama."

Good Question Mountain, Its very simple. It follows the pattern I've been trying to explain. They have been repeatedly told that MR has the best chance to beat Obama. There is zero evidence to even posit the claim, there is no track record to prove it either yet it is doggedly maintained. They were told this about McCain as well. The pattern is to pick the weakest and promote them as the strongest. When history reveals the pattern time after time it is no longer a "theory". Refusal to recognize the pattern also does not make it a "theory".

Stand strong.

 

[MountainWoman]

Maybe we should start another thread with a poll: Liberal, conservative, libertarian. I'm a liberal libertarian if there is such a thing. Live and let live.

 

[MountainWoman]

: instead of telling me why this person or that person is the wrong person to be president, tell me why, in detail with proof, why your candidate would make a great president. And because his isn't Obama is not a good enough reason. I want to know who is the best for the job, not just who is the worst. I want someone I can be proud to vote for, not one that I have to pick the lesser of two evils.

Right there with you! I find this "anybody but Obama" humorous/discouraging/short sighted.

 

[Carriage]

I don't post on these anymore because last time I was called a lazy, liberal welfare parasite, which of course I am not since I do work, I am not lazy most of the time and I have never collected welfare. I just have a mind of my own and can think for myself.

So my biggest issue with anything being posted is: instead of telling me why this person or that person is the wrong person to be president, tell me why, in detail with proof, why your candidate would make a great president. And because his isn't Obama is not a good enough reason. I want to know who is the best for the job, not just who is the worst. I want someone I can be proud to vote for, not one that I have to pick the lesser of two evils. So how about real politics instead of name calling.

Minmom you are absolutely correct. I have given my reason numerous times. The lesser of two evils is of course evil. I stopped playing that game some time ago. Picking the lesser does not change direction. Speed perhaps, but not direction.

 

[Carriage]

Valuable lesson coming up Son. Don't find out what the problem is, she just needs a bath, divert divert divert ...

Yes Ozy and at all costs and by any means.

 

[Carriage]

So exactly what is it that George Soros is trying to accomplish? Well, in a nutshell, what he wants is a Big Brother-style one world government based on extreme European-style socialism, strict population control and the radical green agenda. It would be a world where the state tightly regulates everything that we do for the greater benefit of the environment and of society as a whole.

Yes Sonya, I agree. Farther back into his history also reveals a disturbing mindset, If I recall correctly. Many times the giving of money, even huge sums does not have anything to do with philanthropy, but the shaping of direction through corporate or NGO vehicles. If you are "on board" within organizations you are expected do do your part in pursuing the "goal".

 

[Sonya]

to clarify, I didn't right the paragraph...I took it from the link I posted. And I see nothing in common about Soros and RP, nothing.

 

[Carriage]

"Right there with you! I find this "anybody but Obama" humorous/discouraging/short sighted."

Well MW, I would have to think that is because you have looked past the surface and all the chaff that is held in front of you to get to the truth. Right now the Chinese dissident is being held in front of us 24/7. I have learned over the years that when I see this type of "news" cycle, I had better be rooting deeper to find out what ELSE is going on that the "media" does not want covered. Most often there is something and the revelation of it would be very damaging to Government.

Lastly the anybody but Obama mantra has been the surest way to maintain desired direction and prevent a fix. The simple fix being UNITY under the Constitution, leading to Liberty and Freedom for all.

 

[Carriage]

"Even my mother used the name "George Soros" with a hiss of a snake.. she has no idea who George Soros is.. only knows her conservative daily radio talk shows do not like him.."

Mary Lou, You are also precisely correct and bring to the fore the very same mindset I have been trying to reveal and describe.

In my opinion it is the epitome of laziness and or fear. As designed though it seeks to degrade those that have done their research and arrived at a very different but truthful conclusion. They are Hegel-ites.......