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Ok i have a ragdoll Cat she is 8mth old just had her fixed. Ever since i had her fixed she wont have nothing to do with us and now has started peeing and popping on my floor. She wont use litter box. Im at my ends on this. I cant throw her out and almost at the point to find her a new home else where if i cant get her to stop this. Any suggestions on what to do. NEED HELP????????
 
If I were you, I'd contact Matt here on the forum and ask his advice. He's a reputable breeder of cats (don't know which breed off the top of my head) but he seems to be very knowledgable. Good luck.
 
I would encourage you to contact your Vet and make an appointment. Cats want to use a litter box and only choose not to when there is a behavioral or health issue. This problem can usually be fixed. Sadly, Vets usually see these cases when clients are too fed up to even try.

Dr Taylor
 
Another idea, try a different cat litter. Some are particular about brand, scent, type, etc; and while the usual brand may have been fine before the surgery, now things may be different.
 
I will call vet. I dont think she is hurting its the same spot everytime. I think she is mad at us but will double check and have vet look at her
 
Did you have her declawed? I work at a shelter and many cats will start this if someone has them declawed.
 
I will call vet. I dont think she is hurting its the same spot everytime. I think she is mad at us but will double check and have vet look at her
That's a common misconception. Animals don't get mad, they don't associate soiling with getting back at you for treating them wrong.

Cats want to use the litter box, there's a reason why they don't.

Dr Taylor
 
I had a crap ton of cats fixed last year. Not one of them started not using a box. Even the wild outdoor cats still used their box.

The only cat that I have here that once in awhile stops using the box is a indoor out door cat, when he does this its a worm issue. We deworm him and in a few days hes back to normal.
 
What time frame are we looking at--you say you just had her fixed, but what does that mean exactly--was she fixed two days ago, or a week ago, or??

Is she eating normally? Or had she gone off her food too? It's quite possible that she wants nothing to do with you because she is hurting or simply isn't feeling well. If one of my cats is unwell, whether sick with something or injured & hurting somewhere, they often go off someone away from everyone and just hunker down & suffer on their own (or would do if I didn't hunt them up and do something to help make things better!) If they aren't feeling well it's more likely they don't care about using a litter box--they'll just go in whatever spot may be more accessible or closer or easier than going to the litter box is.

So, have you checked the stitches to make sure they're intact? No swelling at the surgical site? Serious swelling means she needs to go back to the vet ASAP. How does she look? Bright eyed and "normal" or is she depressed, dull eyed?

Did you declaw her at the time she was spayed?
 
No i didnt have her declawed. I read declawing wasnt a good thing to do and talk tomy vet and she advised againstit also. Plus she doesnt scratch thing other then her cat tower or scratching box. I had her spayed aweek ago yesterday.

I called vet taking her in she thinks she may have infection also. Im glad i asked this I never thought of her being sick. She is eating and drinking as normal not as playful but is playing alittle
 
Cats are VERY GOOD at hiding when they are sick- even deathly sick. I had one that had an infection so bad she was almost dead. Still ate and drank- went out to play and came in and literally collapsed on the floor. I had no idea she was sick until she collapsed and it freaked me out.

Hope your kitty is ok and that it's an easy 'fix' (no pun intended) to her issue. I think it's smart to take her back in to your vet. If nothing wrong, then I would try a different litter also?
 
You say she is always going in the same spot... have you tried moving the litter box to this new spot? Or making the new spot inaccessable to her?

Edited to specify that you should put a second litter box in the new spot and leave the old one where its always been.
 
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Took to the vet and she has an infection. They have her on meds. Im so glad i took her. Thanks for the help.I also put a box on the spot she kept going on after i cleaned it really good.
 
Hope things work out well for both of you. Here's a handout I give my clients so they know the path that we'll be going down.

Dr Taylor

Feline House Soiling

Despite the cat's reputation for fastidious cleanliness, house soiling is the number one behavior problem of our feline friends. Many cats are turned outside, given away, or even put to sleep for this behavior problem, and it behooves the veterinary profession to address it.

Urinating in odd places can mean either a behavior problem or a medical problem and sometimes the difference is not clear cut. Cats often urinate in unusual places to get their owner's attention when they are feeling unwell. Further, cats often urinate in unusual places in an effort to reassert their claim to territory, this need often arising from psychological stress and psychological stress can easily lead to a disease state called idiopathic cystitis or feline lower urinary tract disease. Some cats have purely behavioral motivations without illness. Some cats simply have litter box aversion.

Should the Approach be Medical?

Feline lower urinary tract disease (also called feline idiopathic cystitis and formerly referred to as feline urologic syndrome) involves straining to urinate, genital licking/discomfort, bloody urine, and often urinating in unusual places. There are many causes for this syndrome, including psychological stress. It may be hard to determine if a cat urinating outside the litter box has this syndrome and it is important to observe for the signs listed in addition to inappropriate urination. Cats with this syndrome often (but not always) receive a medically oriented approach addressing inflammation in the bladder. Your veterinarian should evaluate your cat before you conclude that the problem is behavioral and you embark on a long-term behavioral approach.

Urine Marking / Territorial Anxiety

Cats use urination and defecation as a means of communication with other cats. By leaving their mark, they are telling other cats "I was here on this date at this time." Other cats may then know this land has been claimed (or has not been recently claimed) and may act accordingly. Psychological stress, such as the presence of other cats, prolonged absence of the owner (who is usually viewed as a parent by the pet cat), or other problems may create a need for a cat to reassert a territorial claim. Signs that this kind of stress is causing the problem might include some or all of the following:

  • Spraying on an upright surface.
  • Urinating in the litter box sometimes and sometimes urinating elsewhere (as opposed to never using the box at all).
  • Defecating in the cat box but urinating outside the box.
  • The cat (either male or female) is not neutered.
  • There has been a change at home leading the cat to feel he/she must reassert his/her territorial boundaries. (Examples: a new pet has been added, a new roommate has been added, a recent move to a new home has occurred, remodeling has been done, the owner recently returned from a vacation, other neighborhood cats are visible or can be smelled in the yard.)
  • The area marked is near a door or window.
  • The problem did not start until new furniture was added or the furniture was rearranged.
  • The cat appears to be responding to a punishment for another behavior.
  • The area marked involves the owner's bed or laundry.
  • The area marked is the same each time.
If any of these scenarios seem to fit, anti-anxiety medications may be tremendously helpful if the source of stress cannot be identified or cannot be altered.

Medications commonly used as anti-anxiety treatments for inappropriate urination include:

BUSPAR

This medication acts by blocking the effect of serotonin (a brain chemical). Studies have found this medication to be approximately 75% effective in reducing inappropriate urination. It is typically given orally twice a day for a 2-week period. If it seems to work, the course is continued for a total of 8 weeks. After this period, it may be discontinued. Approximately half the cats in whom it is used do not resume inappropriate urination. The other half re-develops the problem and must continue on BuSpar.

CLOMIPRAMINE

This medication has been helpful in the treatment of obsessive-compulsive disease and depression in humans and has been approved for canine separation anxiety. It has come to be the first choice of many behaviorists for urine marking cats. It has shown effectiveness at near 90% and in most cats requires only once a day dosing.

FLUOXETINE

This medication is more commonly known as Prozac®. It has been used for feline urine marking and has been found of comparable efficacy to clomipramine. At least 8 weeks of treatment was required to achieve results in over 90% of cats and as long as they took the medication, they did not mark. If the medication is discontinued, marking may resume but is just as likely to respond a second time if the initial treatment was successful.

AMITRIPTYLINE

This medication is also a neurotransmitter blocker. Statistics are not available regarding the success of this treatment but many veterinarians report success. This medication is inexpensive and generally only requires once a day administration. There are some heart related side effects and it is useful to check an EKG prior to treatment with to ensure that no untoward side effects are likely.

VALIUM

This medication has been associated with success rates between 55% and 75% but inappropriate urination often resumes when medication is discontinued. Because of a small population of cats who develop a life-threatening liver syndrome on this medication, it is important to check liver enzymes (by blood test) prior to and several days after starting. If no elevations are seen, the cat should be able to take valium without harmful side effects. Some cats develop excessive appetites and drowsiness with this medication. It was one of the first treatments published for inappropriate urination. The other medications listed here have largely supplanted it but we mention it in honor of its historical significance.

Odor eliminators should be used in marked areas

to discourage the cat's tendency to return to these areas.

A Word on Female Hormone Treatments

In the past, female hormones (common brand names: Megace, Ovaban, and Depo-Provera) have been used to control inappropriate urination. These treatments have not shown as wide success as the newer medications listed above plus they have been fraught with serious side effect potential (mammary cancer and/or induction of diabetes mellitus). We recommend that these hormones be used only as an alternative to euthanasia.

Feliway Spray

Recently a new alternative treatment has become available in the approach to territorial marking. Feliway spray is a spray for the area being marked rather than a medication administered to the cat. The spray consists of feline pheromones of the type that cats deposit when performing facial marking (i.e., rubbing their face/cheeks on things to scent mark). These pheromones have a general calming effect that helps neutralize the urge to urine mark. The product is available as a spray to apply to marked surfaces or as a plug-in diffuser that spreads pheromones through the room.

A recent study was conducted involving 57 households with urine spraying cats. These cats marked on either vertical surfaces only or a combination of vertical and horizontal surfaces. Feliway spray was used twice a day on the urine marked areas for a one-month period. In one-third of households, urine marking stopped completely. In 57% of the households, urine marking was reduced and in 9.3% of households marking was unchanged.

Hunthausen, W. Evaluating a feline facial pheromone analogue to control urine spraying. Veterinary Medicine, Feb 2000, p 151 - 155

If Feliway spray is used, it cannot be expected to work if it is casually used. It should be used twice daily for at least one month before determining if it is effective.

NEUTERING IS THE FIRST STEP IN ADDRESSING THIS PROBLEM.

HORMONAL MOTIVATIONS TO MARK TERRITORY

ARE POTENT AND MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE PICTURE.

Litter Box Aversion

Another reason why cats urinate or defecate outside the box is simply that the box is not acceptable to them. The box may be dirty, may not be adequately private, may smell funny or be uncomfortable. The following are clues that an inappropriate urination problem reflects litter box aversion.

  • Urination does not involve spraying vertical surfaces.
  • Both urination and defecation occur outside the litter box.
  • Two or more cats share a litter box (the current litter box recommendation is one box per cat plus one extra).
  • A new brand of litter is suddenly being used.
  • The box is covered. A covered bathroom area is highly unnatural for cats as they prefer better lighting for elimination and odors are concentrated in an enclosed area such as a covered box.
  • The box is not changed frequently.
  • The cat has had a negative experience in the box (the cat was captured from the box to receive medication or be disciplined).
  • The litter box is in a heavy household traffic area.
  • A puppy or dog (or even a small child) is bothering the cat in the box.
  • The litter box is located near a noisy appliance (such as a clothes dryer).
Cats with this problem frequently require re-training to the box. As a first step, an additional box should be provided in a location separate from the original box. Many cats feel the box has been claimed by another household cat and are reluctant to use it or violate the other cat's territory. Similarly, there may be some competition over the box between cats.

In a single cat home, the cat may have experienced something unpleasant in association with the current litter box (molestation by a child or dog, loud noise etc.) and needs a new "bathroom area." It is important not to keep the cat's food in a location near the box as the cat will not want to use the feeding area as a toilet. If the cat seems to have arthritis issues, a more shallow litter container may be better so the cat will not have to do any climbing or high-stepping.

Obviously, any litter boxes should be scooped daily or even twice daily and kept as clean as possible. Clumping litter should be changed at least monthly and non-clumping litter should be changed twice weekly. The box should be washed with soapy water or water alone with no strong-smelling disinfectants that might be objectionable to the cat.

We have had good experience with a litter additive called Cat Attract, which is an herbal product designed to return the cat to the box. We recommend including this product in the regimen. If the problem is difficulty in keeping the box clean, a self-cleaning box may be helpful.

A litter box length should be at least one and a half times the length of the cat (not including the tail) so that the cat will have adequate space to maneuver and cover his or her excrement.

As the next step, some other type of litter can be provided to see if the cat prefers a different brand or type. (Signs that the cat does not like the litter include: sitting on the plastic lip of the litter box to eliminate, failure to dig a hole in the litter, and/or shaking the litter off the paws after exiting the box.) If nothing seems to work, the cat should be confined in a small area, such as a large plastic carrier, with a litter box. The cat is gradually allowed more area after he/she has proven that he will use the box. (First, the carrier is the housing area, then a small room such as a bathroom or playpen is allowed, next a large room is added etc. until the cat again has his usual access.)

If these tips are not effective in restoring the cat's proper toilet behaviors, a behavior specialist should be called in. Please contact your veterinarian for the best consultant in your area.
 
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