I don't know anything about the second horse... but was wondering on the "Apache Prince" one if perhaps he had an "RF Bar" prefix to his name? We sold an appaloosa stallion about 5 years ago that was named RF Bar's Apache Prince... and I am not sure where he ended up.... he is a chestnut and white appaloosa stallion sired by Tiny Tim and out of RF Bars April..?
I hope this helps...
Suzy Hooper
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Fresno, CA