75 - 125 Kansas Minis "OMG Please help by WRITING!!"

[SilverDollar]

Great letter, Sunfire!! Thanks for joining the cause.

FMC Minis, I was thinking the same thing about Dr. Gray's practice. I had to scroll down to find that they did "livestock and mobile equine services"; not exactly an equine specialist. When I found that link, the tabs at the top only linked to dogs and cats, hence my initial concern. I suspect that they offer livestock/equine services out of necessity due to the remoteness of the area.

I am confident that the "real" equine vets at KSU will shed the light that only equine specialists with experience, can do. It will be important to have qualified vets who don't know Dr. Gray submit their expert opinion and to give ratings of the horses based on the Henneke Scale. This will at least prpvide a common language rather than just saying that the horses appear "thin"; that can be too subjective based on personal opinion.

One other thing that came to mind is the potential "conflict of interest" the Sheriff may have with Vern Trembly (the Sheriff has held that position for over 20 years, according to the public records). In a rescue I did a few years ago, the District Atty. that was assigned to the case turned out to be a 25-year long buddy of the horse owner through the Cattlemen's Association. This D.A. couldn't even see the conflict of interest! Thank goodness the reporter found the conflict disturbing enough that the D.A.'s office removed him from the case and assigned someone else (and we're talking a much bigger county that's right next to Los Angeles). Dr. Gray also may have conflicts of interest with the Sheriff and Vern Trembly himself.

One other thing came to mind (insomnia does that!). Who has been Vern Trembly's "regular" veterinarian in Kansas all these years? Does anyone know this? I realize that many people act as their own vet, but if he is a breeder, wouldn't he have had to use a vet for something? I mean after all, he "loves these horses more than life itself"?

Gotta get some sleep before the next round. It's only 3:20 am here.

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[Warpony]

A friend of mine who lives about an hour away said if it were up to her she would recommend having a Dr. Gorman out of Fort Scott out to look at the horses. (just passing that along in case someone local manages to get an impartial vet out for an opinion on the horse's condition).

She works in animal control about an hour away from Uniontown. She is familiar with Dr. Grey because according to her Dr. Grey protested AGAINST a low cost spay/neuter van because it would take away income from local vets. Needless to say she had very little good to say about Dr. Grey but all this is second hand and while *I* trust the source I would not form an opinion myself based on one persons opinion that I have no actual impartial evidence to back up. If it is true, though, it would seem likely that Dr. Grey would not wish to risk losing business by speaking out too harshly in public.

Also, she said their office has been receiving calls about this, and she has been directing them in the proper directions with their concerns.

 

[AppyLover2]

Great letter Sunfire. Welcome aboard!!

My goals for today:

1 - Contact the county commissioners and the county attorney general and ask them to go look for themselves. I'm going to send them the pictures of the 2 horses that were down and ask them to see if they're still there.

2 - Find out who the veterinary licensing authority is in Kansas and ask them to look into the questionable opinion of Dr. Grey that these horses are not in imminent danger.

Does anyone know if Fox4 is running it again this morning?

 

[Bootsie]

Fox 4 ran a small piece on it this morning. Actually mentioning it before going to break then coming back later to it. I admit the horses that Vern showed to the reporter were not as poor looking as the ones in the slide show. But she has seen the youtube show and can compare the property she was at with what she saw. She can not help knowing it is the same.

By having it on between 5 & 6 am this morning, a lot of early morning risers and commuters got to see what is happening. Just like you, no one is going to believe the "sheriff office is monitoring the situation".

Hang in there little critters.

Faye

 

[Little Wee Horse Farm]

Is it possible to get an on-line petition formed for this? I know it's possible, but who would we send it to? The power of numbers is always impressive. What do you think? The petition, once generated, can be signed by anyone, anywhere, once we notify different boards, people, etc.

I think it could be a petition for action to be taken in this case. Not for prosecution (which is not our domain) but for humane treatment of these animals. Maybe also a demand for an independent veterinary equine specialist.

I looked at the photos -- a 2-year-old could tell those horses are suffering. :no: Opinions on petition please -- k

 

[Margo_C-T]

I have a quick question that I hope one of the officers of CHMR has time to answer..I mailed my donation(and am hoping to be able to send another-not 'earmarked' to the KS horses, but for wherever needed)to Gini's address in Tucson. With Gini in Alaska for nearly another month, I wonder-should I mail it to another officer? or ?? Will the one I already sent be forwarded, or otherwise made available to CMHR, before Gini returns home? Just a logistical question....

I have been spreading the word among horsepeople I know,and otherwise doing what I can from here. I have been following this thread from the very beginning, have read every post, and it is more than heartrending...although I am more the type to want to strangle 'someone', I understand with and agree that this must be approached with reason and calm--but RELENTLESS reason and calm, until the horses have TRULY received the kind of REAL help they must have!! My DEEP admiration goes to so many of you who are working hard and with ongoing dedication to achieve this goal!

Margo

 

[MaryKansas]

Fox 4 aired another segment on the horses this morning. Vern Trembly said that out of the many calls he has received, only 2 were out of concern for him and the horses...the others were all "harrassers"

I'll be keeping a close eye on the news all day, hopefully, they will do a segment with the vet from KSU there.

 

[AppyLover2]

Thanks Mary. I appreciate you being the eyes of those of us outside the viewing area.

Actually, I'm surprised that even 2 showed any concern for Vern.

 

[HGFarm]

Of course he considers them all 'harrassers'. It's because a bunch of us computer nuts are just out to cause trouble because, uh oh, his long time history of neglect and abuse is being disclosed now to the entire world and there is no way that he or the sheriffs office can continue to cover it up. It's now kind of like a pile of cat poo in the litter pan with no cat litter in it.

As far as callers being concerned about him? Why? He gets to eat and all the water he wants each day.

I wonder if anyone from KSU is really even coming out and yes, it makes me wonder who HAS been his 'regular' vet all this time. I can pretty much guess- no one. Or he would have had them out there. He acts like he doesnt know any of these vets. This is what makes me wonder if anyone from KSU is REALLY even coming or is it just another smoke screen to pacify the media and everyone else into thinking that he is really doing something. After all, just what did the vet do the other day that went? Dr. Gray didnt say she wormed horses, took care of any injuries- obviously didnt treat the one with the bad eye. She just said she thinks there might be some concerns. Good grief!

A huge thanks to you jumping on board here to help!! What wonderful people!

 

[Minimor]

Don't forget--one of those 2 was "faking it"--remember, that person posted a couple pages back & described the conversation with Vern, how he said some people with computers were trying to ruin him?

So, really only one of his callers was showing concern--the other was a good act.

 

[virginia]

Good morning all

I'm not sure I posted this but we do have homes lined up for all the goats too.!

Gini Acton has her DIL handling the donations for CMHR. So yes, just continue to send them to her address in Arizona.

Sometime this morning, Ronni, Mary (HSUS) and Jordan Aubey from KOAMTV will be meeting with DA to see if she will accept a complaint against Mr Trembly. If she does, it will be good news for us.

If anyone in Kansas knows of a Vet willing to work with us (they will get paid) please email or PM me. The local Vets have to live and work in that community. There also should be an article coming out in the local paper telling everyone in that community what is going on. The reporter I talked to seemedvery interested and asked all the right questions. He also has copies of all the pictures. Which by the way are UNDOCTORED, in fact they don't even come close to showing the suffering I saw there. I did say that 4 or 5 minis were in good shape. One of which is the one Mr Trembly was petting in the Fox 4 news clip!.

Please say prayers for a good outcome today!

Love to All, Ginny

 

[UNKOWN]

If I were to recommend any one it would be either Laura Holeman from Bronson, She has won awards from AQHA for her quarter horse breeding program. She has Marmaton Valley Vet Clinic in Bronson 620-939-4347 or Laura Moreland she started a mobile spay/neuter van to help with low cast spay/neuter, volunterring her time to perform needed surgerys for a very low cost. She works/owns(?) Girad Animal Hospital 620-724-8054. Both vets are within 30-45 minutes from the horses.

 

[Reijel's Mom]

Fox 4 aired another segment on the horses this morning. Vern Trembly said that out of the many calls he has received, only 2 were out of concern for him and the horses...the others were all "harrassers"

I'll be keeping a close eye on the news all day, hopefully, they will do a segment with the vet from KSU there.

That is good news for us - it hopefully means that people that saw the segment and called were troubled by what they saw, and aren't just going to hand him money!

And those concerned people could well be like the person that posted here that called and sympathized with him in order to get more info. If I was close by, that is what I would be doing, is trying to win him over and help him to see what horrible shape many of those horses are in and help him to seriously reduce his numbers.

 

[Warpony]

If anyone in Kansas knows of a Vet willing to work with us (they will get paid) please email or PM me.

You have a PM with a couple of recommendations from a friend of mine who lives about an hour from Uniontown.

If I were to recommend any one it would be either Laura Holeman from Bronson, She has won awards from AQHA for her quarter horse breeding program. She has Marmaton Valley Vet Clinic in Bronson 620-939-4347 or Laura Moreland she started a mobile spay/neuter van to help with low cast spay/neuter, volunterring her time to perform needed surgerys for a very low cost. She works/owns(?) Girad Animal Hospital 620-724-8054. Both vets are within 30-45 minutes from the horses.

HEHE!! That is the same clinic my friend recommended that I just PMed to Virginia. :aktion033: And that low cost spay/neuter van is the one my friend said Dr. Grey was protesting against.

 

[Soggy Bottom Ranch]

I'm resending e-mails this morning, and went to the Anderson Cooper 360 I-Report page. Funny, it's not the same as it was on Sunday when I e-mailed

: ! They had an e-mail address listed for e-mailing videos from your cell phone, and that isn't there anymore. Hmmmm, they must be getting lots of e-mails from us! It does say though that they read EVERY ireport sent to them. :aktion033:

 

[MaryKansas]

Fox 4 aired another segment on the horses this morning. Vern Trembly said that out of the many calls he has received, only 2 were out of concern for him and the horses...the others were all "harrassers"

I'll be keeping a close eye on the news all day, hopefully, they will do a segment with the vet from KSU there.

That is good news for us - it hopefully means that people that saw the segment and called were troubled by what they saw, and aren't just going to hand him money!

And those concerned people could well be like the person that posted here that called and sympathized with him in order to get more info. If I was close by, that is what I would be doing, is trying to win him over and help him to see what horrible shape many of those horses are in and help him to seriously reduce his numbers.

Unfortunately, I dont think this is the case. The video segment they showed this morning was filmed at the same time as the segment they showed last night.

 

[CRERS]

Hi Everyone -

The Fans of Barbaro are all over this as well - if anyone would like to come to our website and read the thead about the mini's, please go to:

http://forums.prospero.com/alexbrown/messages?msg=15503.1

Everyone is completely up in arms over these little guys and I think voices are being heard loud and clear in Kansas.

There are also rescue groups offering support.

Stephany

 

[CandyB]

Topeka City Council Meeting is tonight at 6 p.m. I'm not close but maybe someone could get there. I'm in NC.

 

[Tnkrtoy]

If I were to recommend any one it would be either Laura Holeman from Bronson, She has won awards from AQHA for her quarter horse breeding program. She has Marmaton Valley Vet Clinic in Bronson 620-939-4347 or Laura Moreland she started a mobile spay/neuter van to help with low cast spay/neuter, volunterring her time to perform needed surgerys for a very low cost. She works/owns(?) Girad Animal Hospital 620-724-8054. Both vets are within 30-45 minutes from the horses.

That would be great as Bronson is right in the neighborhood. Has anyone tht knows Laura Holeman brought her up to speed. I would bet she is the one that Dr. Grey protested with the low cost spay/neuter van.

 

[Mini Mouse]

Hi, I posted before that I would take one or two of the horses when they can leave the state but I don't know what I need to do or where to go to to get forms or what ever. I don't even want register papers with them. I am not a breeder or show person. I have two minis that are registered but they are just my loving pets. The horses would have plenty of food, shelter, vet care, and more love than they can stand.

I have no idea what the procedures are for fostering or adopting rescue horse or even if I qualify but would like to help if I'm allowed to.

Thank you