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Lizzie

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While researching something today, to update a page on my daughter's website, I happened across a site belonging to a woman in Italy. I was surprised to find, she had copied, word for word, plus our pictures, an entire page from Harlequin Farms website. And then had the gall to copyright it!

What cheek!

Lizzie
 
Lizzie as I am the only one on this forum from Italy lets make it clear that it isn't me
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Their aren't many breeders here so it is possible I know this person. Can you give me their site and I will check it out for you.

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Renee
 
I know what you mean. It wasn't a web site but I was in shock at the amount of fake ads that are run on sale sites like dream horse, horsetopia, equine now,.......when I was looking for a gypsy vanner I would constantly see horses on websites only to have scammers use the photos to place an ad of a mare that was really a stallion, a mare from the east coast that was for sale by a different name on the west coast.

I gave up scouring the internet ads and I ended up going to WHR in NY to see a bunch in person. I was in Heaven!
 
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This is a sour subject as I used to have the largest list of mini links on the 'net. I right-click disabled but it didn't prevent someone from copying the entire set through html source and using the exact names, typeset, and locations of all of my links. It was so obvious that there was no doubt in my mind what had been done. To top it off they began charging people to have their links put up.

I was a kid at the time and put a ton of work into the site. I just wanted to provide a nice service for other people in the breed that I love. I ended up giving up and moving on without the site as I was a kid and didn't know how to defend my work.

What was worse is that it was during the boom-period of the internet and if someone couldn't afford a domain (they were expensive) it was sometimes sold to people who would turn it into a porn site. If I didn't catch the link right away I would get hate mail about how I am using my web site to advertise/promote pornography. No good deed goes unpunished. As if I was the one to put it up to begin with.

It just got to be too much work and turned into a punishment. What has occurred to your daughter also happened with my farm images but I think I asked nicely and they took it down. Kids were using my pictures for a fantasy stable.

(This is also a loaded subject due to anti-piracy laws, which I do not support. You have to take a little of the bad with the good to keep the internet free.)
 
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Sorry Eagle, I should have made it clear that it was a Gypsy Horse page they copied. It was not you.

Regardless of how careful one is, it is still easy for many, to copy entire pages if they know how. The scamming in Gypsy Horses is worse than I have ever seen in another breed. In every classified sales site, there are always pics of horses owned by others, for sale or 'adoption', at ridiculously low prices.

I know there are tons of youngsters, using pics for fantasy stables, but that doesn't really bother me very much. At least they are not trying to scam buyers out of their money. I had a lady email me, extremely excited that she was purchasing her first Gypsy. She was going to meet the owner at a hotel in Santa Barbara that evening, to pay him. The horse was a black mare she said. When I saw the pic, I knew immediately who it was. The horse in the pic was actually a stallion and owned by a breeder in Florida. I can't imagine what might have happened to her, if she had actually met up with this scammer with money in hand.

It's the same on Craiglist. Don't ever arrange to meet someone when purchasing, without taking a big fellow with you and telling someone else, exactly the address to which you will be going. It just isn't safe out there any more. There have already been many who have answered ads on Craigslist and met someone who has robbed them, knowing they were carrying a lot of cash. Sad really, that we all have to be so careful these days.

Lizzie
 
No worries Lizzie but thanks for clarifying. I wouldn't want people to think it was me
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Renee
 
Oh my, that is horrible. I can't tell you how upset I'd be. I have an issue with people using my photos. There is a really cool photo that I took of my daughter and my little 28" buckskin mare. They were walking away from the camera, I can't explain it but it was a really neat photo. Well, I checked google images as someone had going to my site after clicking on a photo of one of my horses. I learned that many, many people were using that image of my daughter and her horse and I was livid. I contacted each and everyone but there was no real way to force them to quit. I now watermark all my photos and it really deters me from using my very favorites. This is something that just really ticks me off.
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Had that happen to me too. Back when I had, Autumn House farm. Raised heritage breed sheep, ducks and chickens.

Web page set up for selling my sheep, wool and yarn. One of the people that bought stuff from me.... made a page just like mine. Asked them to either take it down or change the name. They won't.

Needless to say some of my clients got confused, when my name wasn't on their web site. Lost a number of sales... so these new people that stole my farm name and made their web site exactly like mine, where making sales off the years I put into advertising and winning fleece shows.

Was seriously not a kosher thing to do. And they are still on the web as far as I know.

Hope you are able to do something about what is happening to you.
 
Anything one writes, draws, paints, photographs etc., is automatically copyrighted to that person. Another example, is that if you requested permission to reprint a picture from a newspaper, unless that newspaper also purchased the copyright from the oroginal photographer, you would also have to find the photographer and obtain permission from him/her.

You cannot copyright names, such as Jane, Elizabeth, Henry or Robert, for obvious reasons.

If you steal websites or pages from websites, they have obviously been written by someone else and so are actually copyrighted to that person. You can request/demand, that they be taken down, within a certain number of days. Most usually, the person will do as requested. Some probably will not, but one could make it very difficult and possibly embarrassing for the perp. Making the fact very public, would probably encourage the perp to remove the stolen page. This especially on forums or Facebook, where the perp is known to many people.

Considering the enormous number of websites out there, those who have the gall to actually copy whole sites or pages, really is relatively small. Most of the time, we never know if someone has stolen our work. When I discovered my stolen page, it was purely by accident.

Lizzie
 

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