Stud problem, need advice

[Dairygirl]

Take a look at what I got about 3 weeks ago. She is out of my Buckskin stud, Bucky. Let me tell you a little about the problem I am having with him. last year he bred one mare, one time and produced this filly. I had to beg him and rub his nose in it just to get him to breed her. Took about 40 min.. so I give up and figured maybe he wasn't mature enough to care. He was coming 3. ( he has been dropped since he was a yearling)

Now he is 3. I have the same dang problem. Took him to the mare and nothing. So I turned him out in the pasture thinking maybe he just doesn't like to be hand bred. So I sit and watch for a hour. Nothing. 8 mares in heat. 4 backed him in a corner and he just stood there. Smelled, smiled and talked to them but NOT A THING HAPPENED.

He needs the little blue pill. Any ideals of what I can try or give him to get him to breed these girls. I thought about pasture breeding him for a month and seeing what happens. Maybe he is shy?

Any ideals would be great.

 

[RobinRTrueJoy]

He may have been put in his place by a mare and is leary of them OR he is just young and inexperienced. My first stallion was like that and it took him till the end of his 3rd year to become more assertive and more interested. I used to think that I would have to show him some horsie porno to give him ideas, but he eventaully caught on. One thing is that he always remained a gentle breeder. Not mean at all, very mannerly, and ended up knowing when was the right time, he knew best.

Robin

 

[muffntuf]

Actually, if he is only 3 I don't think this is uncommon. Stallions can, by smell, understand where in a mares cycle they are and if they are ready to breed. He may just need to figure things out, so one hour, is not a lot of time for him to make up his mind. I suggest just letting him be and letting nature take its course.

Once he gets the hang of it, then go back to hand breeding.

On a side note, do you know if he was ever disciplined by an older mare prior to 3, that also may have something to do with his relaxed manner.

 

[Dairygirl]

No he has never got his butt spanked by another mare. I have always hand bred the studs because I like knowing when things happen so I can keep track. He will be 4 in a couple months and it has me worried since I have never had a stud act this way. I may just let him pasture breed and keep up with the mares and heats and see what comes of it. The first year I could take but I thought for sure by the second year he would be all man. Below is a pic. of my stud muffin. He is a grandson of Buck Echo on top and a grandson of Stonehenge Painted Feather on bottom.

 

[Westwood Farms]

Hey Girl

I used to have a stallion that way, and he was ALWAYS that way. The vet suggested a small dose of testosterone, to get him moving, and it worked. He just simply did not have an interest in breeding. This was a 12 year old stallion...

Lovely Filly, again...

 

[Mona]

Congratulations on your pretty little filly! Hope you can soon get your stallion problems fixed up! I would LOVE to send you some of my stallion's testosterone! Lord knows he has plenty to spare!

 

[Boinky]

I know you were joking when you said he needed the "little blue pill" but let me tell you. It's been used at a farm i go to to get their big horse stud to "perform". He's a monster stallion (like 17.3hh) and he has a little bit of a libido problem. Takes him a LONG TIME like half hour to an hour to perform even with raging heat etc. The owner decided to try viagra and guess what..it works.. ONE PILL and he's ready to go. I'd probably only give a mini 1/4 or so and see what he did.

LOL so anyhow long story short you may have been joking but it DOES work!

 

[Kawgirl]

Maybe he's just picky cause he wants you to have the best foals possible!

 

[Maple Hollow Farm]

We had a stallion that was like that and it was so annoying but we were just patient and let him do his thing. We had some awesome babies out of him so to us it was worth it but you just have to be patient if he sensed us getting irritated or impatient he would just look the other way and say "fine I wont do it". Some stallions must just like a little romance but this particular stud had a thing for certain colors, he would breed them with a little less time than others and some really like a mare that squeals and some are intimidated by the noisy mares. It is perfectly normal however and sounds like you can get him some version of a "blue pill" but that is obviously totally up to you.

 

[Nathan Luszcz]

Hey Girl
I used to have a stallion that way, and he was ALWAYS that way. The vet suggested a small dose of testosterone, to get him moving, and it worked. He just simply did not have an interest in breeding. This was a 12 year old stallion...

Lovely Filly, again...

This is the only way to "improve" a stallion's labido.... however, if your vet wants to give your horse testosterone SAY NO. Instead, ask for a GnRH shot... its more expensive, but it works in a much more physiologically friendly way. Testosterone causes negative feedback... ie it causes the stallion to see that he has too much testosterone and cut back on his production. Instead, GnRH causes the stallion to release his own testosterone, which is much better.

DO NOT give viagra. It is used in horses for other reasons, but it is not appropriate for this use. Do not use it.

 

[HGFarm]

Sounds like good advice from Nathan there.... and viagra has bad side effects even with people.... I certainly would not want to give it to a horse and have it drop dead or something. It can cause problems with vision or even vision loss, headaches, heart attacks (it opens the arteries and increases oxygen to the heart) and some may become dependant on the drug, needing it in order to 'perform'!! These are some of the reasons why it is a prescription drug and not over the counter. It can also cause other side effects - dizziness, nausea, pain, numbness or tingling- also can cause a sudden drop in blood pressure, which can also lead to fainting, stroke or heart attack.

I would check with your vet and ask what they might recommend to help him out here... certainly sounds like there is a problem. Oh dear!

 

[jjnov]

Hey Rhonda,

Gosh she has grown since I saw her, does she still have the blue eyes? I took some pictures of Buck, he is sooo awesome, I love him to death. I do not have any solutions as to help with Bucky. BTW cute bay colt, what easter name are you going to name him?

 

[SSMFarm]

You would be suprised at the big TB farms that have the same problems with stallions with 100,000 dollar stud fees. They use Body Builder. It will not make you stallion hot...actually makes him less stressed and more focused. The RBOE in the BB will naturally increase testosterone in your boy. IT WILL WORK...guaranteed!

Sorry always feel funny kinda like I am advertising but when the questions arise...I just feel that I should share.

Missy

 

[~Amanda~]

This is a very interesting topic. Most of the time you hear about mares having problems standing or conceiving; most books focus on mare-related problems. It is very informative and useful to know that the boys can have problems and need a little help too.

 

[Dairygirl]

Thanks everyone for the advice. If I get my hands on the blue pill I'll make sure to slip it in my husband's dinner first to try it out. LOL.

I took him out today and tried him again. After about 20 min. He got ready, got on the mare and just about had it when my dang dog barked. Killed the mood. I like to have cried. He stops and looks around like he was saying " Hey what did I miss?"

So I gave up. Put him back in his pen. Took the mare in the pen and let her go with him. Next thing I know she is pushing her butt into him and he jumps up and breeds her. I was so proud of him. So maybe that is his thing. I have to take the mares to his area and let him have at it. LOL.

I'm hoping he will keep this up and it not be a one time a year thing with him.

Hey JJ, send me pics. of Buck when you can. Can't check my emails till tomorrow. I"m on the husbands puter.

 

[REO]

I have found that it works better to take the mare TO him in his pen!

If you've been taking him out of his pen to a mare's pen, he is likely distracted by the different sights and smells there. I Always take the mares to the stallions. Works great!

 

[Jill]

It might just be he doesn't "like" the mare. The first year we were breeding DunIT, he was all about ANY mare, except for one (Lou). It took forever to get him to finally breed her and we did get a filly, but there is no doubt about it... DunIT doesn't find Lou "attractive"! And, it's not the color either as he's all about our other silver dapple mare. I think that sometimes, they just don't like a certain mare, or a certain color.

 

[Dairygirl]

No I don't think it is him and the mares. He is a sweet little guy and loves talking to them all. Does great with all of them. Last year I put one in his pen and left her for 4 months. Each time she come in heat she would be all over him and he wouldn't even care. That is why this year it kind of shocked me that he bred Victoria after I put her in. I just hope it isn't his one time a year breeding. LOL. Maybe he just feels pressured. LOL.

i'm just not use to a stud doing this. All my other studs as soon as they know they are going in the mare pasture they are dropped and ready before the gate is closed. They know what is coming if a mare is ready.

 

[thehorsegirl]

Your horse may have Harem Stallion Disorder. Do you stable him with other stallions? The odd thing about horses is that they do not have to be in the same padock in order to develop herd dynamics. If your boy is mild mannered he could be in a "bachelor stallion" position and not realize that he is allowed to have a herd. This could also be why when you brought the mare into his territory he bred her. You can find out more about Harem Stallion Disorder at thehorse.com Good luck!

~Sarah

 

[pepperhill]

Your little guy sounds exactly like mine! Too much of a gentleman

Poor Cajun used ask the mares soooo gently if it would be OK. If they moved at all, he ran away! If they aggressively backed into him, he got all embarrassed and ran away. If the duck quacked he ran away, if it was Tuesday he ran away!!!!!!

I started tying off the mares in his pen, so they would hold really still for him, and it really seemed to help. Of course, now every time he sees a mare with a leadrope on he comes running!

He is still a very gentle stallion with the ladies, but at 5 years old he keeps everyone in foal! Anyway, he outgrew the whole problem. Hopefully yours will too!