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My 5 year old gelding is sick and has 3 vets stumpted, he is eating very little and has lost weight, it is not cold out and he is shaking but balance is fine,he bends his legs then puts them down.He sleeps a lot but is not rolling,he drinks a lot more then normal.He looks almost drugged and slowly walks around.He use to be top horse and keep other three in line but has stopped doing that.

Vet took blood samples - found red blood cell count low , white blood cell count low, put him on antibiotics for five days and staroids for three days. does not shake really bad anymore but is still shaking a bit. Found a sore on each side of the inside of his mouth and since I have never put a bit in his mouth rulled that out.Vet said his wolf teeth we not the cause of the sores - puzzled but sores not infected.Looks like he is always stretching straight out to pee but very little pee is peed out,vet did insert a cathader to see if bladder was full and found not really full only got one syringe filled vet checked pee sample for infection and came back normal.He is up to date on worming and needles.So west nile is out - he tries so hard to pee but nothing -

Took the horse to vets office so they could altersound him and see if maybe he has a bladderstone in there, the vet did find he now has a fever so kept up on antibiotics and next day there fever went down and temperature is normal.Vet put him on stronger antibiotics and he seems to be eating more. I went for my daily visit and he seems a bit more spunky and is eating but vet did say that he still strains some to pee but not as often. He has been at vets office now for three days and more antibiotics and second altersound - again altersound came up normal, will be going back to visit him and get updates later plus going to give him his daily grooming so he know I have not forgot him.

Vet did leave a call to a very well know horse specialist but has not received a call back yet. I have only owned this gelding for 1 1/2 years and he has been healthy up to this point. Has anyone had a horse show these signs and if so what was the cause and treatment out come ???????
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You have not mentioned his manure. Is it normal?

Is he eating??
 
My first thought would be hyperlipemia, did he do a full blood workup or just a CBC?
 
My first thought would be hyperlipemia, did he do a full blood workup or just a CBC?

This was my first thought too and most vets dont realize how much more common it is in miniatures.

Also could he have got blister beetles in his hay?? That will cause mouth sores, sickness etc. They are very toxic to horses.
 
His pooping is ok nicely formed not runny or hard, I have not seen nothing like beetles in the hay it is grass hay from the guy down the road from me,I buy it from him every year and the other horses are ok.As for blood work I will check into it but think it was just for blood cell count.Must add I live in canada,Manitoba and have not seen any thing in hay like beetles and my other three horses are fine - they all eat and drink in same area and eat from each other food pile.
 
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For got to mention my horses are not taken any place different they just stay here.I only transport a horse to the vet when sick and vet says to bring him in, if for needles or checkup vet comes here.
 
It really does sound like fatty liver/hyperlipemia. Heres an online article about it. While this is more rare in big horses it is not rare at all in minis.

Epidemiology and Pathogenesis:

Poor feed quality or decrease in feed intake, particularly during a period of high-energy requirement (eg, pregnancy, systemic disease), may result in hyperlipemia syndrome. Hyperlipemia is seen most commonly in ponies, miniature horses, and donkeys, and less frequently in standard-size adult horses. Pathogenesis of hyperlipemia is complex, with a negative energy balance triggering excessive mobilization of fatty acids from adipose tissue leading to increased hepatic triglyceride synthesis and secretion of very low density lipoproteins, concomitant hypertriglyceridemia, and fatty infiltration of the liver. The biochemical etiology of hyperlipemia is overproduction of triglyceride, rather than failure of triglyceride catabolism.

Onset of disease is associated with stress, decreased feed intake, fat mobilization and deposition in the liver, and overproduction of triglycerides, which may be precipitated by insulin resistance. In ponies, hyperlipemia is usually a primary disease process associated with obesity, pregnancy, lactation, stress, or transportation. Hyperlipemia may develop secondary to any systemic disease that results in anorexia and a negative energy balance. Secondary hyperlipemia is more common than primary hyperlipemia in miniature breeds. Hyperlipemia secondary to a systemic disease can be seen in horses of any age and in any condition. Female, stressed, and obese donkeys are at highest risk of developing hyperlipemia regardless of pregnancy status. Hyperlipemia is most commonly seen in the winter and spring.

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Clinical Findings:

Signs are nonspecific, variable, and may not relate to loss of liver function. They include lethargy, weakness, inappetence, decreased water intake, and diarrhea. Often, there is a history of prolonged anorexia, rapid weight loss, and previous obesity. Emaciation, ventral edema, colic, and trembling may be seen. Serum biochemical values and coagulation testing in miniature horses and ponies with hyperlipemia indicate that impairment of hepatic function is common. Affected animals have grossly opalescent blood and lipemic plasma. The blood concentrations of all lipids are increased, especially triglycerides, nonesterified fatty acids, and very-low-density lipoproteins. Donkeys have higher plasma triglyceride concentrations than do other equids. Hypoglycemia is a common finding in ponies but not in miniature horses with hyperlipemia. Total bile acid concentration and BSP® clearance are often normal, but BSP clearance may be prolonged in some animals. Activated partial thromboplastin time and one-stage prothrombin time may be prolonged. AST and SDH may be normal or increased. Increased creatinine, isosthenuria, and metabolic acidosis may develop secondary to renal disease. BUN and creatinine values are variable. Anorexia can lead to hypokalemia. Animals may become neutropenic with increased band neutrophils. Concurrent pancreatitis has been reported.

Prolonged increase in serum triglyceride concentrations is associated with lipid accumulation in the liver, kidneys, myocardium, and skeletal muscles, impairing function of these organs. The liver and kidneys become friable, and death may result from acute hepatic rupture.

Alpacas and llamas may develop hyperlipemia and ketonuria in late stages of gestation or secondary to disease states. Nonspecific clinical signs include lethargy, anorexia, and recumbency. Hypertriglyceridemia, hypercholesterolemia, increased SDH activity, metabolic acidosis, azotemia, and ketonuria may be seen. Secondary renal failure may develop. Camelids appear to be similar to both horses (hyperlipidemia) and cattle (ketosis) in their response to severe energy imbalance in late gestation. Hepatic lipidosis is the most common liver disease found in llamas and alpacas. Camelids of various ages and energy requirements are susceptible, and the pathogenesis is multifactorial. Common clinical findings include anorexia, weight loss, high concentrations of bile acids, high activities of GGT and AST, and hypoproteinemia. Some animals have high nonesterified fatty acids and β-hydroxybutyrate concentrations.

Lesions:

The liver and kidneys are often pale, swollen, and friable with a greasy texture. Microscopically, there is variable fat deposition within the hepatocytes and epithelium of the bile ducts. The hepatic sinusoids may appear compressed and anemic with severe fatty infiltration. Gross and microscopic lesions of the primary disease process in ponies and horses may predominate.

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Diagnosis:

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Hyperlipemia, horse

Hyperlipemia, horse

Clinical diagnosis is often based on the signalment, history, clinical signs, and gross observation of a white to yellow discoloration of the plasma. Plasma or serum triglyceride levels >500 mg/dL confirm the diagnosis. Cholesterol may also be increased, indicating an increase in lipoprotein. Laboratory evidence of hepatic dysfunction is supportive.

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Treatment:

Correction of the underlying disease, IV fluids, and nutritional support are the most essential factors in treatment of hyperlipemia. Nutritional support reverses the negative energy balance, increases serum glucose concentrations, promotes endogenous insulin release, and inhibits mobilization of peripheral adipose tissue. Polyionic electrolyte solution containing supplemental dextrose (50 g/hr/450 kg) and potassium (20-40 mEq of potassium chloride/L) should be given IV to hypoglycemic, hypokalemic animals. Glucose administration may cause refractory hyperglycemia in animals with insulin resistance. Glucose levels, renal function, urine output, and serum electrolyte concentrations should be monitored closely. IV fluids must be administered cautiously in camelids with hepatic lipidosis as many are already hypoproteinemic. Intermittent bolus administration of IV fluids rather than continuous infusion may be more effective for maintaining hydration without exacerbating existing hypoproteinemia.

Voluntary enteral nutrition is preferred if the affected animal will consume adequate quantities of nutritionally valuable feeds; however, most will not. Frequent feedings of a high-carbohydrate, low-fat diet are preferred. In animals with inadequate oral intake, supplemental tube feeding is necessary. Commercially available high-calorie enteral formulations provide adequate short-term nutritional support. Recipes for home-prepared, liquid tube-feeding diets for horses are also available. Small frequent feedings are required to meet caloric needs without overloading the GI tract. Animals should be observed after each feeding for signs of abdominal discomfort. Body weight, total fluid intake, and fecal consistency should be monitored daily. In animals that survive, hyperlipemia usually resolves in 5-10 days, but enteral feeding should be continued until voluntary feed intake is adequate. Enteral nutritional supplementation and treatment of the primary disease is often successful in reversing hyperlipemia in miniature horses and donkeys but not in ponies.

For horses that are totally anorectic, parenteral nutrition may be used. The lipid portion of the solution is omitted. Blood glucose concentration should be monitored twice daily to ensure that euglycemia is maintained and that substantial hyperglycemia (≥180 mg/dL) is avoided.

In camelids, partial parenteral nutrition with enteral supplementation can be used to maintain adequate energy intake and minimize further fat mobilization. Because of the distinct metabolism of camelids, parenteral nutrition products must contain higher amounts of amino acids (relative to nonprotein calories) than traditional formulations used in other species. Glucose concentrations must be carefully monitored, as these animals do not assimilate exogenous glucose well.

Exogenous insulin administration is recommended for treatment of iatrogenic hyperglycemia and hyperlipemia. Insulin decreases mobilization of peripheral adipose tissue by stimulating lipoprotein lipase activity and by inhibiting adipocyte hormone-sensitive lipase activity. The appropriate dose of insulin to be used in horses has not been well established. When insulin is used, response to therapy must be closely monitored and the dose adjusted accordingly. Insulin administration may fail to lower serum triglyceride or glucose concentrations in hyperlipemic animals when an insulin-resistant state is present. Insulin treatment is not well documented in camelids but was reportedly effective in the treatment of llamas with hepatic lipidosis.

Heparin is used in treatment of hyperlipemia because it promotes peripheral utilization of triglycerides and enhances lipogenesis via stimulation of lipoprotein lipase activity. Heparin may be given IV or SC with recommended dosages of 40-100 IU/kg, bid . Use of heparin is questionable in affected animals with increased hepatic production of triglycerides and without impaired peripheral removal of triglycerides. Heparin administration may potentiate bleeding complications and is contraindicated in animals with coagulopathies from liver dysfunction.

Nutritional supplementation to prevent hyperlipemia is indicated in miniature horses and donkeys, ponies, and horses with systemic disease associated with hypophagia and high metabolic demands.

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Prognosis:

Clinical biochemical parameters are not useful prognostic indicators of survival in ponies with hyperlipemia. Death from hyperlipemia is rare in miniature breeds. In most instances, survival depends on the ability to successfully treat the primary disease. Prognosis is often poor in ponies, standard-size horses, and camelids.

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I would have your gelding tested for both Hyperlipemia AND Ulcers........ Your description of symptoms almost seems like a combination of BOTH.
 
It sounds like West Nile. The vaccine isn't 100% effective.

Typical signs include muscle trembling; skin twitching; ataxia (incoordination, stumbling, limb weakness) that either appears suddenly or appears gradually and worsens; sleepiness; dullness; listlessness; facial paralysis (droopy eyelids, lower lip); difficulty with urination and defecation; and an inability to rise. Some horses may develop mild fevers, blindness, seizures, and other signs.

You're describing 3 major neuro symptoms (trembling, sleep walking and raising the feet as if he's not sure where they are) I'd be testing for Herpes, PHF, EPM, EEE, WEE and WNV. I'd be looking at why he's showing neurological symptoms.

Have they looked at his kidenys to rule out renal complications?

Neuro symptoms aren't usually of hyperlimea unless the horse has crashed.
 
It sounds like West Nile. The vaccine isn't 100% effective.
Typical signs include muscle trembling; skin twitching; ataxia (incoordination, stumbling, limb weakness) that either appears suddenly or appears gradually and worsens; sleepiness; dullness; listlessness; facial paralysis (droopy eyelids, lower lip); difficulty with urination and defecation; and an inability to rise. Some horses may develop mild fevers, blindness, seizures, and other signs.

You're describing 3 major neuro symptoms (trembling, sleep walking and raising the feet as if he's not sure where they are) I'd be testing for Herpes, PHF, EPM, EEE, WEE and WNV. I'd be looking at why he's showing neurological symptoms.

Have they looked at his kidenys to rule out renal complications?

Neuro symptoms aren't usually of hyperlimea unless the horse has crashed.
EPM and Sleeping Sickness were also the things I wondered about reading your post. I hope you can find some answers and that he will be okay.
 
update

Vet got a hold of a specialist (sp) and had already did blood work and has now ruled out Hyperlipemia,ulcers,herpes and has even managed to do an xray on his bladder and the xray up normal. They do how ever think he may have passed a stone and they said he is doing much better. He is moving around much more and even perked up when another horse was brought in to clinic.If he is better after the weekend he will be comming home and I can give him his medication here.If he remains the same then they will be picking up a scope and inserting that into his bladder to see what is really going on.

They also said that after I was there grooming him and gave him his friday carrot then left to go home he was asking for me very loudly / lol thats my baby, he loves his mommy and his carrot.As for blister beetles they rulled that out since my other horses are fine and they all eat the same feed.

Thanks for the ideals and what to ask the vet if he was checking for it helped put my mind some what at ease.
 
I'm glad to hear he's feeling better! I hope he gets to 100% soon!
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