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My mare is due any day with her 3rd foal. She is showing a lot of the signs of being ready to foal but she is showing a couple of signs that are different and that are concerning me. She is EXTREMELY thirsty. She will only nibble a little hay every day. Not enough a quarter of a flake worth in a day. But she will drink all day long. She won't leave the barn other than to drink. She seems to have no energy and she almost seems depressed holding her head down. Has anyone else had these signs in a mare that is ready to foal? The thing that concerns me the most is the excessive thirst. Thanks.
 
Is she eating grain? If she is, ease her onto a complete feed grain, if it isn't already. Encourage her to eat several meals a day, whatever she is willing to take in.

She needs to be watched. Your vet needs to be notified. I don't want to cause panic, but ask your vet about hyperlipemia (sp) - fatty liver disease. If she is slipping into it, you may be able to turn it around with diet and a treatment similar to diabetes.

With what you described, I encourage you to be proactive and not wait and see.
 
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Is she eating grain? If she is, ease her onto a complete feed grain, if it isn't already. Encourage her to eat several meals a day, whatever she is willing to take in.

She needs to be watched. Your vet needs to be notified. I don't want to cause panic, but ask your vet about hyperlipemia (sp) - fatty liver disease. If she is slipping into it, you may be able to turn it around with diet and a treatment similar to diabetes.

With what you described, I encourage you to be proactive and not wait and see.


She is not on any grain right now. I will definitely call the vet in the morning. Thanks.
 
Also be on the look out for hypocalcemia or thumps. This can occur in late term mares or after they foal. Its a calcium imbalance that really messes them up. We had our first case last year and almost lost our mare. Have liquid calcium on hand just in case
 
The vet will be out first thing this morning but I forgot to mention that her breathing is labored. Could that be another sign of "thumps". I read on the internet a little about it. Thank you for your replies.
 
Im so glad your vet is coming. My vets knew nothing about thumps so thank god I found one willing to listen to me.

If you have a stethoscope take a listen to her heartbeat and you will her it "thump" in her groin area.

My mares symptoms were

Staggering

Clenched mouth/nostrils

Disoriented

Labored breathing

But my mare was very very ill by the time I found her. Mine must have started during the night and was really bad by the time I found her at feeding time.
 
The vet thinks it is a bad case of colic. He is saying we will probably have to have surgery to save her and it will be $6,000. We live in Casper, Wyoming--does anyone have any suggestions on horse hospitals in this area? Or any advice on how to treat a bad colic? He put a lot of oil in her and gave her banamine. Thanks
 
What leads your vet to believe it is colic? Has she not been going poop? With all the drinking she is doing it seems odd that she would colic to begin with except that there is not much room with the foal being inside. Any fever? Did your vet draw blood for a blood panel? I would check her kidney and liver functions and put her on a IV with more fluids to see if that helps, especially if she is still pooping and not showing any signs of pain. Did the vet perform a rectal or take a xray to see what is being dealt with?

Sorry for all the questions but its hard for me to believe a vet would suggest colic surgery by just coming out to a depressed late term mare and not having a rectal, blood work, xray, ultrasound and belly tap done to be able to make that call with 100% certainty that she has impaction or torsion.
 
He did do blood work but I haven't heard the results yet. She hasn't pooped or peed in 3 days that I know of. She is being stalled in the barn and so I know for a fact she hasn't pooped. She didn't have a fever but her heart rate was high (60). Also her breath smelled horrible. He thinks she might need surgery because she's been like this for so many days. He listened and didn't hear any gut sounds. He is a wonderful vet but doesn't know miniatures well. No one in our state seems to know them so I always have trouble finding someone to work on them. I did think she was drinking a lot but now I believe she is not drinking at all. She has just been putting her head in the water but not actually getting any water. He said it is fairly common with colic. I wish I knew more about all of this. I hate not being able to help her. But I did find someone to do the surgery for $3500 and that is not out of the question for us so we will be making a decision tonight. The vet said if she poops that will probably mean she doesn't need surgery but so far she hasn't. I'll keep you posted.
 
I'm know its probably a trip to get there, but CSU in Ft Collins would probably be a good option if you have to go for surgery. Sorry I don't know WY very well, or where there might be a vet that could/would do the surgery. You'll probably have to call CSU ahead to see if they are taking cases with the EHV-1 outbreak.

Any other equine vets in your area that you can call for a second opinion before jumping straight to surgery?
 
You failed to mention that she has not pooped or peed in THREE DAYS!! That is major information. Also, are you watering her with a bucket? If so you should be able to keep track of the amount she drinks. I would of freaked out if she had been drinking the amount of water you said she was and not peeing. Thats all very vital information. Plus you have to take any feed away until she starts pooping regularly, then its very small handfuls of wetted hay multiple times a day. I would put her on IV fluids right away though to help hydrate her. That seems to be the best treatment for minis to get them over serious colic if there are any chances besides surgery.
 
I think that I posted my topic before I realized that she hadn't peed or pooped in 3 days. Sorry, I try to mention everything but I'm also working on little sleep:) The vet just called and her bloodwork is not good. Her bilirubin is high and so are her liver enzymes. He suggested I take her 2 hours away to an equine specialist. So we are leaving first thing in the morning. This vet already has her bloodwork and will decide tomorrow if we need surgery. I will keep you posted. Thanks again. This vet is in Sheridan Wyoming. He is a fantastic vet so if she can hold on I know he can help her.
 
I think that I posted my topic before I realized that she hadn't peed or pooped in 3 days. Sorry, I try to mention everything but I'm also working on little sleep:) The vet just called and her bloodwork is not good. Her bilirubin is high and so are her liver enzymes. He suggested I take her 2 hours away to an equine specialist. So we are leaving first thing in the morning. This vet already has her bloodwork and will decide tomorrow if we need surgery. I will keep you posted. Thanks again. This vet is in Sheridan Wyoming. He is a fantastic vet so if she can hold on I know he can help her.
I am so sorry to hear - hope she improves. Please keep us posted. Please also talk to your vet about the hyperlipemia. It sounds like that may be a potential problem with her bloodwork.
 
It is hyperlipemia. She is in critical condition. Her liver enzymes, bilirubin, everything... is off the charts. Her white blood cell count is critically low. He thinks she got colic and that caused the hyperlipemia. I go back to the hospital in one hour and they will decide if they think that surgery can save her. I will let you know.
 
I'm so sorry, but I'm glad you got her with a vet who knows what to do for hyperlipemia. Not every vet does.

From your first description, that was my first reaction, but at the same time I didn't want to scare you. Hyperlipemia can be caused by colic with a pregnant mare or an obese horse.

Prayers going out for her.
 
I hope that your mare and her future foal are alright and that the vet does not have to operate. If she is not eating, there is nothing to poop, nor would there be much in the digestive system to make much noise. I am not sure operating is the wise thing to do. He should be treating her for the Hyperlipidemia, and perhaps get the foal out and taking the stress of her liver might just save her.

Also be on the look out for hypocalcemia or thumps. This can occur in late term mares or after they foal. Its a calcium imbalance that really messes them up. We had our first case last year and almost lost our mare. Have liquid calcium on hand just in case

Kaykay,

Thumps is actually caused from dehydration and a drop in Electrolytes. My mare has a really thick coat after a long cold winter. We had one really hot humid day and she was out in the sun all day. When I brought her in she was depressed and you could see her sides thump with each heartbeat. I gave her a shot of Banamine, some electrolytes and shaved her neck, chest and belly down (as it is still too cold here to shave her the rest of the way) I knew what she had was Thumps, but called the vet to make sure that was what it was and that I did everything that needed to be done for her. I was right. The next day she was pretty much fine.

Thumps is what happens when a horse is dehydrated or has sweat too much and is most common in long distance performance horses.

I have also had nursing mares who I have found staggering around or could not get up in the AM. They had hypoglycemia. I feed them grain right away and within minutes they were fine. I now feed a really good feed that is not on the National market yet with all the minerals, calcium and everything else a horse could need. (my Minis are test horses) I have to say that I am in love with the food and this year no hypoglycemia

Below are descriptions of Thumps Just an FYI

Thumps

"Thumps" is the term used to describe a condition known as synchronous diaphragmatic flutter (SDF). This condition is a sign that a horse is in severe metabolic distress from dehydration. A horse with thumps will display rhythmic twitching or "thumping' in the flank area, in time with the beating of the heart. Sometimes it is so subtle it can only be felt under your hand. In severe cases, it is observable from several feet away.

Thumps can occur when excessive seating causes dehydration and massive electrolyte loss. As the bloodstream is depleted of salt ions, the function of the nervous system is compromised. The phrenic nerve that runs across the heart to the diaphragm muscle begins to fire in time with the heart beat, stimulating the diaphragm muscles to contract and causing the distinctive, thumping flutter.

Thumps should be regarded as a warning sign that the horse is suffering from acute dehydration and electrolyte imbalance. Immediately halt exercise, administer water and electrolytes, and call your vet for treatment instructions. If ignored, the consequences include founder, colic, heat exhaustion, or collapse. Recognizing this sign of impending metabolic failure can help to avoid much more problematic consequences.

Thumps," or synchronous diaphragmatic flutter, is sometimes seen in endurance horses or horses that have sweated for prolonged time periods and when electrolytes have not been adequately replenished. Sweat contains chlorine, sodium, potassium, calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium as well as water. Low blood calcium, potassium, and chlorine result in an increase in neuromuscular irritability and hypersensitivity of the phrenic nerve. With thumps, heart beats stimulate the hypersensitive phrenic nerve to fire. This results in a contraction of the diaphragm seen at the flank each time the heart beats.
 
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Riverdance, in many cases with minis it is a depletion of calcium that causes thumps. I had it happen to a mare of mine after she lost her foal after a bad dystocia. She was already very ill and in the hospital on an IV, so she was not dehydrated. I was sitting in her stall with her when it started; it looked like she had the hiccups. They had to infuse her with calcium for several days, as her body was just not metabolizing correctly. I would never try to treat this by myself, without the immediate infusion of calcium, Ally would have been dead.
 
Thank you for the information on thumps. She had surgery last night and is recovering now. This morning he actually has her on calcium. So hopefully she won't get it. He is monitoring her bloodwork 2 to 3 times a day. She is in Critical stable condition for now.
 
Riverdance, in many cases with minis it is a depletion of calcium that causes thumps. I had it happen to a mare of mine after she lost her foal after a bad dystocia. She was already very ill and in the hospital on an IV, so she was not dehydrated. I was sitting in her stall with her when it started; it looked like she had the hiccups. They had to infuse her with calcium for several days, as her body was just not metabolizing correctly. I would never try to treat this by myself, without the immediate infusion of calcium, Ally would have been dead.
Interesting... This has been the only time I had a Mini with Thumps, I know there is no definition of thumps with a calcium loss. I have had hunter jumpers/cross country horses with it, all they needed was electrolytes, same with my Mini. Something to watch out for in the future, but they can also get thumps when dehydrated. I guess if they are nursing or heavily pregnant and not getting enough calcium, that could be a possibility. But people should not panic if it is only an overheated horse who is dehydrated.
 

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