Thanks for the help again. She lives out, so her diet is all grass, with new any exposure to rich pasture being added by increment each day. Ive been following your advice about putting my arms around her belly but so far Ive felt nothing. Yesterday when she was laid down it did look like things were moving around inside, but with the flies it could have been her twitching, I guess! I havent come across any clover on my fields, plenty on my lawn though that she does have a passing cheeky nibble of in the way back to her fields.. Ill keep watching and wondering!!