Do you "have" to soak beet pulp shreds?

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I'm pretty sure that you're absolutely supposed to soak beet pulp pellets. Do you see how much they expand? Imagine that expanding in your horses gut.
It is a complete fallacy that you have to soak beet pulp - the choke factor has more to do with how your horse eats as opposed to what he is eating.

And no - beet pulp will not swell up in your horse'e gut and cause problems... you could say the same thing for rolled oats turning into porridge!

Beet pulp is also more than "filler"....

I am glad that Marty posted this link http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/hrs3243 ://http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$d...sf/all/hrs3243 earlier - as it explains so much of what I have been saying for years.

I'll paste in the beet pulp parts...

Myth: "Beet Pulp is Just A Filler."
Most old-timers will tell you beet pulp has no nutrition, "it's just a filler." Again, science has proved otherwise. Beet pulp is the fibrous material left over after the sugar is extracted from sugar beets. It's an excellent source of digestible fibre for the horse and can be fed in addition to, or instead of, hay. Recent research has shown that the fibre in beet pulp is easier to digest than the fibre in hays. In fact, horses may derive as much energy from beet pulp as they do from oats (Table 4). In other words, a pound of (dry) beet pulp has almost the same amount of calories as a pound of oats. Because beet pulp provides these calories as fibre (as opposed to the starch in grains), it can be safely fed in larger amounts without the risk of colic or laminitis associated with feeding a large amount of grain. Furthermore, the protein content of beet pulp (averaging 8 to 12%) is comparable to most grains and good-quality grass hays (Table 4). And, beet pulp also provides a reasonable source of calcium, intermediate between the high calcium in alfalfa and the lower calcium content of grass hays, but much higher than grains (Table 4).

Whether used as a source of forage or as a replacement for oats, beet pulp is a useful addition to the diet of many types of horses. Beet pulp has been successfully fed at levels up to 50% of the horse's total ration (approximately 10 lbs for a 1000 lb horse). More commonly, owners choose to feed 2 to 5 lbs of beet pulp per day. The high digestibility of beet pulp makes it a good choice for horses that are "hard keepers" (it's very good for encouraging weight gain), as well as horses with dental problems, or older horses who have trouble chewing or digesting other types of forage. Beet pulp is also used as a grain replacement in the diets of horses that suffer from tying up (providing calories as fibre rather than starch). And the low potassium content of beet pulp makes it an ideal forage replacement for horses with HYPP. Finally, endurance riders favour beet pulp because its high water holding capacity provides the horse with a larger reservoir of fluid in the digestive tract that can be used to help prevent dehydration.

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Myth: "Beet Pulp Must be Soaked Before You Feed It."

"If you don't soak beet pulp before feeding it, it'll swell up and rupture the horse's stomach." "Beet pulp will swell up in your horse's esophagus and cause choke if you don't soak it first." These are just a couple of the diabolical warnings surrounding the feeding of beet pulp. Because beet pulp seems to "grow" when water is added, somebody surmised that it could be a hazard if fed dry because it would absorb saliva and gastric juices, swell up, and block the esophagus or cause the stomach to burst. Although inaccurate, these evil predictions deter many horse owners from even trying beet pulp.

Beet pulp may soak up water like a sponge, but it cannot soak up saliva quickly enough to expand in the esophagus and cause choke. Instead, choke associated with beet pulp (particularly the pelleted form) is often in response to the particle size and the horse's aggressive feeding behaviour, rather than the actual feed itself. Horses that bolt their feed without sufficient chewing, or do not have adequate access to water, are far more likely to choke, regardless of the type of feed, compared to horses that eat at a more leisurely rate.

Nor is it likely that dry beet pulp will rupture the horse's stomach. The equine stomach holds 2 to 4 gallons. This volume is equivalent to 4.5 to 9.5 pounds of dry beet pulp, which is more than most horses receive in a single meal. Likewise, most food that enters the stomach passes on to the small intestine within 15 minutes or less—and for those of you who have timed how long it takes beet pulp to expand, it's longer than 15 minutes. Assuming free access to water, horses will voluntarily drink enough water to adequately process any amount of beet pulp consumed (1.5 to 2 litres per pound of beet pulp). Along with this drinking water, fluid is constantly entering the digestive tract, so beet pulp will not "suck the horse dry." Ultimately, the 40 to 50 gallon capacity of the equine digestive tract is more than sufficient to contain even a very large meal of beet pulp. The only horse in danger of a gastric rupture is one suffering from impaction or other severe lack of normal peristaltic movement.

So, contrary to popular belief, you don't have to soak beet pulp (either the pelleted or shredded form) in water to feed it safely to horses. Research at several universities, including some of my own studies, have fed dry beet pulp in amounts up to 50% of the total diet without choke or other adverse reactions. Likewise, many, many tons of dry beet pulp-based feeds are fed annually without incidence. For example, most commercial feeds designed for geriatric horses contain large amounts of beet pulp and are fed straight out of the bag without being soaked first. If you choose not to soak the beet pulp before feeding it, make sure your horse has access to as much good, clean water as he wants (which should be the case no matter what you feed).

Although soaking beet pulp is not necessary, there are several good reasons for wetting it down before you feed it. Soaking beet pulp may make the feed easier to chew, particularly for older horses with bad teeth. Soaked beet pulp may also be more tasty and it provides a useful method for hiding minerals or medications. If your horse gobbles down his feed or is prone to choke, it might be a good idea to soak your beet pulp. And while horses will drink water on their own, pre-soaked beet pulp is a good way to get some water into your horses, particularly in the winter when they may not be as inclined to drink what they need. So, if soaking beet pulp fits into your feeding management, by all means, do it. You don't have to soak beet pulp overnight-most of the expansion takes place within the first 3 to 4 hours.
 
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I think there are way too many of us who have just posted that they've had problems with horses choking on non-soaked beet pulp to say it's a complete fallacy. I do understand a horse CAN choke on anything - but I also would bet the percentage of horses that have choked on beet pulp is probably relatively high compared to other types of food.
 
I think there are way too many of us who have just posted that they've had problems with horses choking on non-soaked beet pulp to say it's a complete fallacy. I do understand a horse CAN choke on anything - but I also would bet the percentage of horses that have choked on beet pulp is probably relatively high compared to other types of food.
How would you know that, though? Quick - who has had choke occur as a result of something else? The only cases of choke I have ever dealt with were a result of Senior Feed in one case, Advantage in another - and alfalfa cubes in another... so again - it may be the eating habits and not the specific feed. The idea that beet pulp is the main instigator of choke has become a type of urban myth by now - when such is simply not the case... it is an individual horse thing - and not the feed.

If we started a thread on Choke alone - without beet pulp beung the feature, I'll bet that there would be a very wide variety of causes...
 
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I guess my question is why wouldn't you soak beet pulp? It's extra water for your horse, so why not soak it?

BTW - yes, I soak and rinse my beet pulp to rinse out the extra molasses.

Liz R.
 
I would never feed it dry also. I had heard you could do so and that it did not swell significantly however a client of mine told me a very sad story about her grand daughter leaving the lid of their sugar beet bin and their gun dog getting into it and it ended up rupturing his stomach and they lost the dog.
 
I would never feed it dry also. I had heard you could do so and that it did not swell significantly however a client of mine told me a very sad story about her grand daughter leaving the lid of their sugar beet bin and their gun dog getting into it and it ended up rupturing his stomach and they lost the dog.

Could that have been because the dog ate way too much??? Believe it or not, not all dogs stop eating when they are full. My brother used to have a real pig of a dog, and she got into the dog food one day and ate and ate and ate while we were gone. I have since learned that she could have died from that and I should have had her seen by a vet.

Tagalong, I agree. I have never personally known of a horse to choke on beet pulp, but I've seen it happen with pelleted grain, grass and hay. I know it does happen with beet pulp, because a horse can choke on ANYTHING, but again, it depends on the horse themselves. Do they already have scar tissue in their throats? Do they bolt their feed? We even had an old pony that had a twisted esophagus. He was in his late 20s when he choked severely and we put him down.
 
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I think there are way too many of us who have just posted that they've had problems with horses choking on non-soaked beet pulp to say it's a complete fallacy. I do understand a horse CAN choke on anything - but I also would bet the percentage of horses that have choked on beet pulp is probably relatively high compared to other types of food.
How would you know that, though? Quick - who has had choke occur as a result of something else? The only cases of choke I have ever dealt with were a result of Senior Feed in one case, Advantage in another - and alfalfa cubes in another... so again - it may be the eating habits and not the specific feed. The idea that beet pulp is the main instigator of choke has become a type of urban myth by now - when such is simply not the case... it is an individual horse thing - and not the feed.

If we started a thread on Choke alone - without beet pulp beung the feature, I'll bet that there would be a very wide variety of causes...

We had our ten month colt choke on alfalfa HAY. Not cubes or pellets.... :DOH!

That said, we feed our beet pulp dry. BUT it's mixed in with our others feeds. We do a 1/3 scoop beet pulp. 1/3 scoop Senior and 1/3 scoop Horsemans Edge complete pellets plus Born To Win dressed on top. The feeds are TOTALLY mixed together before feeding so they can't grab just a mouthful of beet pulp....

Lucy
 
I have been feeding dry beet pulp with no problems since about 2001, can't remember exactly. I do like mentioned above and mix it in with the other feed. The morning ration is fed dry, and the night ration is fed wet, all of it together (including the chopped alfalfa) with warm water. I like to send them off to bed full and happy.
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All of us here work or go to school full time, and in the mornings it is a quick thing to get the food out, no time for extras. Now in the evenings, you find us in the barn.
 
I had a choking incident with beet pulp when feeding it dry, so I always wet mine, though I don't necessarily "soak" it. I fed it dry to several horses for about two weeks without any trouble, then two of the horses choked on it on the same day. Luckily, one of them cleared the choke himself before the vet arrived. But the vet told me that most of the choke that he sees is from dry beet pulp.

Now, I always dump mine in a bucket and cover it with water. By the time I feed the other grain, it's nice and wet and I feed it that way. It really helps to keep the horses hydrated and I've never had any of them choke on wet beet pulp.

Just my two cents worth.

Pat
 
Could that have been because the dog ate way too much??? Believe it or not, not all dogs stop eating when they are full. My brother used to have a real pig of a dog, and she got into the dog food one day and ate and ate and ate while we were gone. I have since learned that she could have died from that and I should have had her seen by a vet.
No as the lid was only off while the child swept up behind the bin of beet pulp and the child didn't see the dog was in there until she went to put it back, so it is not like the dog ate and ate and ate. My client is a dog breeder as is her daughter. I would not have believed it unless I knew what careful and caring owners of both horses and dogs these people are
 
We soak ours because if one of our horses did choke on it I would blame myself. We feed the finely shredded too but the extra water is good for them.
 
Victoria Same thing actually happened with us. We know how much dried stuff our dog ate because it was spilt on the ground (hole in the bag) in our Garage when we used to have our horses off the property. It was a pretty small amount (about a cup) that she ate. Blew up her stomach and we almost lost her because of it, but thanks to truckloads of money spent at the vet...she lived to tell the tale
 
No as the lid was only off while the child swept up behind the bin of beet pulp and the child didn't see the dog was in there until she went to put it back, so it is not like the dog ate and ate and ate. My client is a dog breeder as is her daughter. I would not have believed it unless I knew what careful and caring owners of both horses and dogs these people are
Dogs can bloat very easily - and they can hoark down huge quantities of anything in a matter of seconds... time is not the issue - quantity is! It can happen to even the most observant and careful breeder - it only takes a couple of minutes... they can get the same effect from bolting dog kibble quickly - as happened to a friend's Golden...
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Im sure that could be the case but I do know they were feeding the same product we have here and it seems strange that the bag and the subsequent web info on the product carry this noting clearly on the bag and on the website.

"N.B. Always ensure Dunstan Molassed Sugar Beet Feed is soaked prior to feeding.

Weights of Dunstan Molassed Sugar Beet Feed (MSBF) refer to dry weight before soaking.

The suggested quantity of MSBF is as part of the total weight of concentrates, not in addition to it.

The total concentrate suggested should be fed in at least two and preferably three or four feeds per day.

The maximum recommended levels should not be exceeded.Preparation

Easy to use - the only preparation required is the soaking of Dunstan Molassed Sugar Beet Feed in two to three-times its own weight of water."

Dunstan Horse Feeds Website

However I guess its up to each individual, to me I would perfer to put lots of moisture into my horses feed so I will continue to soak and wet my horses feeds.
 
I think there are way too many of us who have just posted that they've had problems with horses choking on non-soaked beet pulp to say it's a complete fallacy. I do understand a horse CAN choke on anything - but I also would bet the percentage of horses that have choked on beet pulp is probably relatively high compared to other types of food.
How would you know that, though? Quick - who has had choke occur as a result of something else? The only cases of choke I have ever dealt with were a result of Senior Feed in one case, Advantage in another - and alfalfa cubes in another... so again - it may be the eating habits and not the specific feed. The idea that beet pulp is the main instigator of choke has become a type of urban myth by now - when such is simply not the case... it is an individual horse thing - and not the feed.

If we started a thread on Choke alone - without beet pulp beung the feature, I'll bet that there would be a very wide variety of causes...

You're right, I don't "know" that - neither did I say I did "know" that. However, based on my own personal experience, and based on the anecdotal experience of several others, I do not choose to feed beet pulp shreds dry nor would I advise anyone else to do it.
 
Sorry to beat a dead horse on this one but I just had an equine specialist vet out yesterday for my new riding mare.

I mentioned that I was going to be feeding her beet pulp (amongst other things) and she immediately said "that's great, I think it will really help her, but I want to tell you to be careful with that and make sure you soak it, otherwise she can choke". This is a younger vet that's just been in practice a few years. They have a very nice full service clinic (Abraham's Equine Clinic in Iowa).

I hastened to tell her I planned on doing exactly that.

Not trying to tell anyone what they need to be doing, but if I can save an owner (and a horse) the stress I went through with beet pulp/choke I will.
 
Well, it all comes down to a matter of opinion. As the Alberta feed myths article pointed out - myths become fact... and opinion can be formed on said facts. One vet I dealt with for years was very leery of hay cubes - as he had seen them cause more choke than even pelleted feed. The worst choke case I ever dealt with was from hay cubes. A more recent one - with the dam of the Supreme AMHA Worlds champion (that was a heart-stopping moment
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) was from normal hay.

As with most things - there is no ONE way to do anything - and people will do what works best for them. But IMO we need to stop short of implying that someone is endangering their horses if they do not feed the same way that we do and follow the same protocol.

Look at bran mashes - for many years they were seen as necessary... and now? Not.

I have fed beet pulp pellets for years - always soaked for at least 4 hours as it was the mix/base for the other feed and made it more palatable for some fussy eaters... but when I worked at a very high end Thoroughbred farm whose yearlings were often sold at Keeneland for $250,000 plus - they fed dry beet pulp pellets mixed in with the rest of the feed. And they were also the only farm I worked on or dealt with - that fed steamed oats - and "cooked" them overnight themselves. The smell that hit you in the face when you lifted the wooden lid off of that ginormous steamer even made me drool...
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I'll paste in the last paragraph of that beet pulp section of the Alberta Agriculture article again... with a couple of key points bolded to emphasize that you do what is best for the individual horse involved.... and what works for you. There is no My Way Or The Highway when it comes to horses...

Although soaking beet pulp is not necessary, there are several good reasons for wetting it down before you feed it. Soaking beet pulp may make the feed easier to chew, particularly for older horses with bad teeth. Soaked beet pulp may also be more tasty and it provides a useful method for hiding minerals or medications. If your horse gobbles down his feed or is prone to choke, it might be a good idea to soak your beet pulp. And while horses will drink water on their own, pre-soaked beet pulp is a good way to get some water into your horses, particularly in the winter when they may not be as inclined to drink what they need. So, if soaking beet pulp fits into your feeding management, by all means, do it. You don't have to soak beet pulp overnight-most of the expansion takes place within the first 3 to 4 hours.
 
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