What gives??

[Minimor]

Another division in a registry that already has 4, 5 if you count ASPR.

Why shouldn't they show AMHR when they are AMHR registered? Just because "you" don't want them there? They don't need another ASPC division when they already have AMHR papers, maybe even an AMHR pedigree in many cases. And Lisa says the Mini people don't want to control the registry...this is a perfect example! Don't like ponies being AMHR registered, so let's get rid of them. Rule them right out...

And actually I haven't heard anyone specifically say that "we the Mini people want control of the registry" but I do have to say that from things I have heard from various people I would very much fear for the ponies and the ASPC side of things if by chance the "Mini people" did get to have control of the registry. I think the rules as they stand now are the best ones for the registry. As someone who has both Shetlands and Minis--and keeps them each seperate from each other, LOL--I think that the organizatin runs much more smoothly now, it is more balanced I suppose I'd say, than it would if the BOD seats were all opened up and Mini people were to make up a majority of the seats.

I have never, ever heard the pony people saying that they want to take anything away from the Minis. On the other hand, Mini people quite obviously have a dislike for anything pony in anything that is AMHR & I suspect that they would prefer to see $$$ cut from the pony side of the budget (Congress, etc) as well.

 

[~Lisa~]

I have never, ever heard the pony people saying that they want to take anything away from the Minis. On the other hand, Mini people quite obviously have a dislike for anything pony in anything that is AMHR & I suspect that they would prefer to see $$$ cut from the pony side of the budget (Congress, etc) as well.

Holly you know I really respect and like you..

That said I am not sure where this is even coming from-

Why now would anyone think or say mini people are wanting to cut money from Congress when year after year after year... Congress has lost money and in some years lost more money in a year then ASPC registrations has brought in .. no one is taking away or trying to take away anything from ASPC seems to me many mini people are just trying to preserve what they consider to be their breed nothing different then the Shetland people do- that doesnt make either side sinister- evil or thoughts of taking over the world (or in this case registry) I am not sure why when mini people speak out about preserving what they worked hard for what they funded a registry they put huge amounts of dollars into they are looked at as mean people, poor sports, un educated and barn blind- They are doing nothing different then what is happening and has happened on the ASPC side

None of this will ever be ironed out on a forum. Everyone has their minds made up and there is no changing it this thread could go on for 200 pages no minds will be changed in fact I think it is just seeming to make everyone more firm and closed in their beliefs.

Bottom line is rule proposals can be sent in by anyone- majority rules at Convention everyone has a chance to partipate in the process. It might not always turn out like we want but we all have the choice to be part of it or not..

 

[MountainMeadows]

Well folks, I guess I am just as dumb as a box of rocks, because I am pretty happy with the way things are right now - AMHA has their "thing" and their rules, AMHR has their "thing" and their rules, and ASPC/ASPR has their "thing" -- for ME - this is like a kid in a candy store -- I am a BREEDER -- I want to breed the very best that I can, I want the beautiful head, long slender neck with a flexy throatlatch, I want the short back, I want the long hip, I want the trim barrel, I want the fine bone, I want the straight legs, and I want that motion that gives ME goosebumps when I see it ---- As a BREEDER the time has never been better - look at all the BLENDING I have available to me -- the only thing that I am trying to restrict is height - for ME, the height needs to be around 36" or smaller (if it meets MY criteria) - mainly because I don't want to completely redo my barn and fences (guess I am just lazy LOL). I love what is happening in our breed - and the showring is where I put MY breeding program up against all the others in the country -- if I need tweeking - you can be sure that it will come out in my placings - will I always agree with the "tweeking" that is needed, maybe not because after all this is MY program - not anyone else's and if I don't breed for what I like then why breed at all. Again, I am really excited about the future, whether it be AMHA, AMHR, ASPC/ASPR - all are beautiful animals in their own right - and let those breed what they want to breed, and let them compete - if your ONLY goal is to win, then I fear that you will never truly be happy - there is really sooooo much more.

 

[Crabtree Farm]

If you have a 38 inch horse then why are you not showing it????

No you can not take it to a show and show in both.....

And in area 3 there is a lot shows that you can go to.

If you have to travel that is part of showing horses right. I dont think someone will tell you to leave a show.

You have NC that has sheltlands classes and you have Tn and Fl too. so what is the big deal if you have to travel.. we all do it sometimes.

Tina you was at the NC show... YOu should of showed the horse then. why not...

I have to travel from Fl to that show to show you can do the same

My reason for not showing that particular horse will be publicly addressed soon enough. And if I am not allowed to post anything, my website will cover everything.

Until then I can not discuss the matter in any other detail.

And my other shetlands are modern pleasure, ASPR and NSPR which were not offerred.

 

[Sue_C.]

And Lisa says the Mini people don't want to control the registry...this is a perfect example! Don't like ponies being AMHR registered, so let's get rid of them. Rule them right out...
And actually I haven't heard anyone specifically say that "we the Mini people want control of the registry" but I do have to say that from things I have heard from various people I would very much fear for the ponies and the ASPC side of things if by chance the "Mini people" did get to have control of the registry.

Maybe they should be glad the miniatures haven't tried to separate and make their own way...now THERE'S a thought...

 

[Minimor]

Lisa, that very thing was mentioned last year when that premature financial report was posted for the 2 National shows. Initially it was said that Nationals made money (and then later it turned out there was actually a loss) and Congress lost quite a large amount--it was suggested on this very forum that such losses shouldn't be tolerated, that ASPC/AMHR shouldn't be covering the loss, however it was worded exactly--and that amounts to the same thing as cutting funding...and yes, it would be nice if Congress broke even, but even if it doesn't, I would say that funding for that should continue. I'd rather see the money spent on that rather than some of the promotional things $$$ has been wasted on the last couple years. So, that thread last year is one place "that came from".

sue--I guess anyone would be able to try that. Perhaps a group effort would go over better than the World Class Registry has?

 

[JMS Miniatures]

Maybe they should be glad the miniatures haven't tried to separate and make their own way...now THERE'S a thought...

They did, a long time ago, the registry we know today as AMHA.

You know I see so much diversion as it is creating a whole nother registry is not going to solve anything. We need to get united where we need to accept the AMHR/ASPC horses but try and find common ground and try to preserve a place for the miniatures. Instead of arguing about the problem lets try and solve it.

 

[Mominis]

Another brainstorm from the newbie....LOL!

What about having just a straight AMHR division, like the Classic Morgan disivion? Make all of the classes that exsist now stay as they are, open to any horse registered with AMHR, be they double registered with ASPC or not. Then have a divison set up that is restricted to the AMHR only horse? That would give the 'purists' (I'm not using that term in a negative way, I just can't think of a better way to put it) a place to be while the breed evolves.

 

[Jacki Loomis]

Another brainstorm from the newbie....LOL!

What about having just a straight AMHR division, like the Classic Morgan disivion? Make all of the classes that exsist now stay as they are, open to any horse registered with AMHR, be they double registered with ASPC or not. Then have a divison set up that is restricted to the AMHR only horse? That would give the 'purists' (I'm not using that term in a negative way, I just can't think of a better way to put it) a place to be while the breed evolves.

Hey Mominis, I just read your signature line, saw you owned Michigan's Steak-N-Shake, and realized you will be at our show this coming Thursday & Friday. The Lancaster County Super Fair hosted by the Bluestem Miniature Horse Club in Lincoln, NE. Let me know (by email) if you need any directions or have other questions. Just so you know, we'll be stalling and showing in Pavilion 2, the event center is a large place but when you come to the gate just ask where Pavilion 2 is. Have a safe trip up.

Jacki Loomis

[email protected]

 

[Sue_C.]

They did, a long time ago, the registry we know today as AMHA.

You know I see so much diversion as it is creating a whole nother registry is not going to solve anything. We need to get united where we need to accept the AMHR/ASPC horses but try and find common ground and try to preserve a place for the miniatures. Instead of arguing about the problem lets try and solve it.

I said that "tongue in cheek", but if the ENTIRE REGISTRY moved, it wouldn't be anything like the World Class.

I think it could be EASILY solved...if we must accept them, they must accept they stay within their own division.

This is just a case of wanting their cake and eating it too...and I for one get so tired of hearing how WE must accept it and shut the He** up about it, 'cause the ASPC was here first...our minis are Shetland anyways...

 

[Crabtree Farm]

Of course I was not there..but one would have to assume as with anything there is 3 sides to every story....

as far as not being enough ASPC shows well it is the chicken and the egg. Many small clubs do not want to put in all those extra classes for a couple of ponies..I would think in a lot of areas if more of those ponies showing minis started showing as ponies and the numbers went up for the ASPC portion of a show it would be easier for show managers to justify fighting to have those classes

I have never seen mini people wanting to control the registry LOL what I do see is a huge fear from a few pony people that somehow this is the agenda however I can honestly say I really see NO TRUTH IN THAT AT ALL

I never complained about traveling to show my straight shetlands, just the fact that I didn't get any competition at the show. I can't get upset because the farm that was bringing MP's had something come up and could not attend.

I have a problem being told where not to show a horse and told not to beat anyone.

 

[ruffian]

Lisa, there are not as many shetland shows to go to as there are AMHR or AMHA. And people are going to take those horses first to be able to qualify for the corresponding Nationals or World.

Granted as Jacki said it is not a problem in his area, but not are so lucky. I have to wait until our Area show each year to show. When there are AMHR shows at least one to twice a month in my area.

Several shows here in MI originally had ASPC classes as part of their showbill. But after many years of few if any ponies showing up, they were dropped. At a show last year there were 60 pony classes offered and only 1 pony showed up. Went into the class, and walked out with the 2 class ribbons, 2 Sr Champion Ribbons, and 2 Grand Champion Ribbons. Probably about $25 worth of ribbons. In that case, the show is losing money. The shows have to have ribbons etc for every class, and when they put in 50-60 classes and ONE pony shows up, it's pretty hard to keep those classes in. Shetlands have been around much longer than miniatures (registered). So why can't they keep their numbers up in the show ring?

IMO if ponies had to qualify for Congress, that local shows would increase entries. Why pay entrie fees, hotel costs, gas, etc when you don't have to?

The AMHR Nationals had over 1,000 horses enter last year (could have been over 1,500 but not sure) The qualification for AMHR Nationals is to SHOW at one local show. Don't even had to place. AMHA had over 1,000 horses also. Their qualification is tougher - have to have points.

Maybe what was mentioned earlier would help - make a size class for the smaller Moderns and Classics. Maybe having to qualify for Congress would help entries at the local level.

But if folks are ready to "pony up" to show at an AMHR show, then why don't they "pony up" to get their entries up so Pony classes can be maintained at the local shows?

I also don't see where anybody was told they could not speak freely on this or any other LB forum, as long as they kept to the rules.

 

[Crabtree Farm]

Not every class has to be offered at a show to carry a shetland designation or rating. Shows can offer an abbreviated list and I believe as few as 11 classes would still give it a C rating. None the less if you don't expect to fill all the classes, don't offer all of them. The have an A B C rating system. A show manager should be aware of the rating system and use that for the show's advantage.

 

[~Lisa~]

But if folks are ready to "pony up" to show at an AMHR show, then why don't they "pony up" to get their entries up so Pony classes can be maintained at the local shows?

Interesting point...

 

[Mominis]

Hey Mominis, I just read your signature line, saw you owned Michigan's Steak-N-Shake, and realized you will be at our show this coming Thursday & Friday. The Lancaster County Super Fair hosted by the Bluestem Miniature Horse Club in Lincoln, NE. Let me know (by email) if you need any directions or have other questions. Just so you know, we'll be stalling and showing in Pavilion 2, the event center is a large place but when you come to the gate just ask where Pavilion 2 is. Have a safe trip up.

Jacki Loomis

[email protected]

Thanks, Jacki! How nice of you! We are really looking forward to the trip, in fact getting our last minute running done to be ready to pull out early Thursday morning and beat the heat. Do you think it would be possible that you will have some time to chat with me a little about this topic up there? It sounds like you've been showing a long time. I'd love to be able to talk with someone face-to-face about my original question. Then again, as show secretary, you may not have time. I totally understad that. lol

 

[allaboutminis]

Yes I do have a 37 inch horse that is not showing right now and that is due to certain reasons. And of this horse I was told to not show it in my area and definitely not to beat anyone.

Yes, I was at the NC show and did you know that I was not welcomed. In fact I was escorted off the showgrounds, in fact I was escorted to my vehicle by the judge and told to leave so they could start the show.

And was told it was in the best interest of the show as a spectator. And no I did not break any rules that are set forth by AMHR as to why an exhibitor can be removed, but again I was a spectator. So wonder why I don't attend certain shows, because I would be asked to leave.

Tina

I was at that show too and the Tn show You was there talking alot of stuff. I did not know that you was escorted off the show grounds. But in the same token what you was talking and what you have going against the show staff I would of not been there.( it was not hear say I was one of them that you was talking too) You was making things look bad for you....I can recall you posting stuff on here about that show and what happen to you.

I can not answer to why you was removed, but you did have a lot of us ( exhibtors) feeling uncomfortable about the stuff that you was talking. again I will not go into any details on here.

the def. to uncomfortable is: 1: causing discomfort or annoyance 2: feeling discomfort.

It was the same thing in Tn. Why would you show up at a show where you knew that person would be there??????????????

I am sorry But I think you need to stop what you are doing before you start hurting your ownself..

 

[Mominis]

 

[Lewella]

Shetlands have been around much longer than miniatures (registered). So why can't they keep their numbers up in the show ring?

There is a VERY simple answer to that question - POPULATION. There are only about 1000 ASPC Shetlands registered PER YEAR. There are 8000+ AMHR miniatures registered per year (AMHR new registration numbers have been in the 12,000 range in the last decade whereas ASPC numbers in the last decade have never even been close to 1500).

A qualification requirement for Shetlands would probably have very little effect on local show attendance. Most Shetlands are already showing at two or more shows prior to Congress each year.

 

[jeniemac]

Tina

I was at that show too and the Tn show You was there talking alot of stuff. I did not know that you was escorted off the show grounds. But in the same token what you was talking and what you have going against the show staff I would of not been there.( it was not hear say I was one of them that you was talking too) You was making things look bad for you....I can recall you posting stuff on here about that show and what happen to you.

I can not answer to why you was removed, but you did have a lot of us ( exhibtors) feeling uncomfortable about the stuff that you was talking. again I will not go into any details on here.

the def. to uncomfortable is: 1: causing discomfort or annoyance 2: feeling discomfort.

It was the same thing in Tn. Why would you show up at a show where you knew that person would be there??????????????

I am sorry But I think you need to stop what you are doing before you start hurting your ownself..

 

[jeniemac]

I and many here do not know what is going/went on BUT PLEASE... keep personal matters off this forum..