US Politics -- Tomorrow (Thurs., 6/28) is going to be interesting!

[Jill]

Thursday, June 28, is poised to be the 2nd most exciting day of the year when it comes to US politics. Tomorrow is slated to bring the Holder Contempt Vote and the Supreme Court release of their Obamacare ruling. Have you all been following these items? I can promise, I will be glued to the news even more than usual tomorrow!

 

[MountainWoman]

I can't believe no one has jumped in on this discussion. A landmark ruling due today and yes, I'll be glued as I was last night to the discussions. This ruling will impact all our lives and all the business around us as well.

 

[Jill]

I have a hard time understanding those who are not interested in these important matters... But, I know I take it to an extreme -- waking up at 3am unable to fall back asleep for thinking of what's going on in Washington today.

 

[MountainWoman]

I'm the same way and praying the Court does the right thing as far as I'm concerned which is to get rid of the entire health care bill.

 

[Jill]

Agreed!

I also hope the Holder vote goes the right way. I think the media has conspired to make this situation the best kept secret around... NBC Nightly "News" spent only 10 seconds covering it prior to last week, while it's been more the news worthy for over year.

 

[ohmt]

Great post, Mary Lou!

 

[Jill]

Oh please. Don't make me

As a citizen, employer, business owner and active member of several Chambers of Commerce, I know what Obamacare is doing to business and employment. AND if the government can MANDATE that citizens purchase health insurance, then what's next? Will they make us by a Chevy Volt? Or subscribe to The Washington Post? Purchase Solar Panels?

I've been following Holder's evasion when it comes to Fast & Furious for a year. I am delighted with the Democrats who have been affirmative about their intention to do the right thing and not vote along party lines but to vote according to what has actually happened. What happened during Fast & Furious, and the deceptions that followed, is truly outrageous and, I feel, criminal.

People who are informed and clear thinking have no reason to be rattled by anyone else's opinion. Sorry, but I am pretty darn sure a huge percentage of people have NOT been paying attention.

Of course, I can't mention my opinion on American politics without someone thinking they can shame me over my former and current sentiment that I don't particulary care what non-US citizens think of US politics. Does that mean they shouldn't chime in? No... but it does mean that I am not personally concerned with their opinion when it comes to the one subject of US politics

Probably 1,0001 things that I would value outside input on, but "whatever". Gosh, how much better would "they" feel if they were as impacted by my opinion on US politics as I am by theirs?

 

[Jill]

Mary Lou... I have Tag on "ignore" because I'm just so sick of not being able to say anything that is non-horse related (be it political or not) without her constantly typing "Jill" ("bolding mine")... and reqesting additional input, reconsideration or rewording from me regardless of how clearly I've stated my two cents. While I didn't think it was advisable to make things personal on LB, kinda really -- there you went so that's my perspective on interaction with Tag. I choose not to see her posts these days, and again, this is based on my experience with her for the past several years.

 

[Jill]

And, to get back to the intial topic, we may hear something from the Supreme Court in just about 30 minutes from now.

 

[Riverrose28]

I'm interested in our countries health care issue, just don't want to voice my opinion, Lost my flame suit! To be honest I have not been keeping up with the Holder issue, so can't comment. I will say the health care in this country right now is a joke! The alcoholic accross the road, has seizures if he doesn't drink, he can't work, guess what, he gets medicaid, paid for by me, the tax payer. Yet I still pay for health care that doesn't cover all of my needs, and has a high deductable. Even with our health care we are stuck with a large payment when hospitalized, and are still paying for hubby's back surgery that he had last year. The hosp. has been paid but we still owe several hundred to the Doctor. We had a resonable amount of money saved for just this, an illness, but when hubby was laid off of work in 2008 at the start of this recession, it didn't take us long to go through it for bills. One major illness would put us under for sure. You either need to be rich or poor in this country to get by. Those of us in the middle are struggling as far as healthcare. Wish I could find that flame suit!

 

[Jill]

Terry, I don't think there's much doubt that the healthcare system needs improvement. Just for me alone, my health insurance is 4 figures each month. But, with all my head and heart, I don't see what was rammed through and dubbed "Obamacare" as the answer we need.

Mary Lou, I understand what you are saying, too... and I'm mighty fond of you despite some of our differing opinions.

 

[Jill]

The individual mandate survives as a TAX? Urgh... Repeal & Replace...

 

[Riverrose28]

 

[Jill]

I guess i have to hope that since this will be a TAX, that the 47% of Americans who haven't been paying into the federal tax system get their "invoices" and pay... That is if we aren't able to repeal it after a new president takes office in January

 

[MountainWoman]

Mary Lou, I agree with you about health care not being available nor affordable here in our country. I was dropped by my insurance company after an illness and wasn't able to get other coverage. My complaint with the bill (as I understand it and I'm no government scholar) is that it really is going to step in there and make more of a mess especially when it comes to employer mandates and small businesses and already some states have filed suits to opt out. This bill is not the same as single payer health care in any way. I'm not sure it will improve access to health care for those of us who are neither poor nor rich. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Jill]

Don't look now but the market is tanking. What a surprise

Obamacare is bad for business and bad for our struggling economy.

 

[andi]

I agree that most readers, no matter how involved in politics or interested in this topic, would never dream of replying for fear of attack. I know I have personally offended people in the past, and been reprimanded. But the only thing worse than being personally attacked openly, is it being done in a laughing, veiled, "acceptable" manner like it is being done on this topic already. Even people not responding to this topic have been brought up and very personally singled out and insulted. Those who have replied have been laughed at for their opinions, all the while being told, I respect you, but not enough to have a discussion without laughing at you. I think the majority of this board does not condone or support this behavior and finds it extremely offensive, so, they ignore the topic.

When it comes to this entire health care issue; anyone who supports our country going to war, where we spend unbelievable amounts of money, and more importantly pay with our LIVES and take others lives, cannot then turn around and say they considered it overstepping the line of government involvement when they want to get more involved in Health Care. Bottom line, anything our government "takes" from us, be it taxes or even rights and freedoms, pails in comparison to the LIVES it takes fighting wars. Which makes it so unbelievable when the majority of those yelling “socialism” and to much government control when it comes to their money, are OK with those same things when it comes to other people’s lives.

 

[MountainWoman]

Mary Lou, most employers take deductions from pay for health insurance now. I think one of the things tanking the market at the moment is the fact business don't understand the impact and from what I understand their costs will rise and in our fragile economy that might scare more small business but I'm just not knowledgeable enough to speak about it though with any certainty. I personally don't know whether this bill is a good start or not. I'm in Vermont where we will be the first state to inact single payer health care and to me personally that's the way to go so everyone has access without having to lose sleep at night whether or not they can purchase food, pay their mortgage or get a medical problem taken care of before it becomes an emergency. I don't mind waiting to see a doctor. Better than never being able to afford to go at all. JMHO and I respect others who have differing opinions and different thoughts.

 

[tagalong]

Going off topic for a minute to address things that were directed at me personally... again.

She has applied for U.S. citizenship & still waiting from what she posted here. So I think she would be more qualified as a non-citizen in her opinions then I (as a U.S. citizen not living in U.S.).. Hmmm... I hope I said that right.. ???

Mary Lou (OMG!!! I referred to you as I just quoted you and also bolded your name - can you ever forgive me??!! I do that for everyone though - as that is considered polite on other forums - so please do not feel as if I am singling you out in any way!) - I cannot apply for ctizenship - I would need to have a green card for 5 years in order to do that - and my work Visa makes it very hard to get a Green Card. We are in the process of doing that and it could take 5 - 7 years. Yes, you read that right. And yet all sorts of perks and amnesty can be handed out to illegals and the suggestions that they get fast-tracked for citizenship and green cards makes me furious. Bush suggested it... now Obama. But I will not go off on an immigration rant. That is best left for another thread.

Back on topic.

The Supreme Court did the right thing on all the Obamacare issues IMO. So much for all the anti-Constitutional hyperbole.

I'm in Vermont where we will be the first state to inact single payer health care and to me personally that's the way to go so everyone has access without having to lose sleep at night whether or not they can purchase food, pay their mortgage or get a medical problem taken care of before it becomes an emergency.

Well said, Mountainwoman.

As far as the Holder thing goes - it has not been ignored by media other than Fox as has been suggested... I have been following it avidly on assorted media. But I am disgusted with a Republican party whose sole stated purpose is not to serve their constituents and govern the country but simply to make Obama a one-term President no matter what it takes. And yes, I would be POed at a Dem congress pulling the same nonsense.

 

[andi]

If the Market is already tanking, this quickly afterwords, it is the fear of obamacare that is tanking it, not the actuall thing. People who understand how economys work should also understand the importance of that difference. If they do understand the difference, but are just taking advantage of an opportunity to say, "ha, I was right", assuming the "sheeple" will be ignorant enough to just follow their fraudulent "proof", then they are no better than those they are relentlessly attacking. To quote Ayn Rand, " I don't believe that the morale of anybody can be built up by a lie." Give people the truth if you want their support and you respect them, missleading them into agreeing with you is pointless.