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Unless you make more than $200,000 a year, they always favor the people with millions of dollars, they always have. I don't want arguements or mean mouthed people, just some straight facts here, I won't argue or interrupt, I just don't understand why people can't see what the Bush administration has done to this country plus made us such a hated and ridiculed nation, it's just pathetic what has happened. I watch alot of news on a lot of stations, see alot as the tv is on here by my computer, I know a person can't believe everything they hear either but don't the facts speak for themselves, the facts of this Republican Administration? I need to try to understand because I think the country is in a huge mess and if the republicans get in, I really fear for the future of our kids and I see these two as being the same as Bush, high dollar and like to spend. So please, be kind to me but try to make me understand your thoughts, in a nice way.
 
Just because you vote republican does not mean that you love republicans... maybe it means you agree more with them than you do the democrats?
 
I'll bite. No, I did not come from money. I was raised very poor. We didn't even have any indoor plumbing until I was 13. My father had a stroke when I was 5 and died when I was 9. We fished when the weather permitted and raised our own chickens and veggies. We canned, butchered and never knew life was suppose to be different. So that tells you I am not from money. I am in no way wealthy today. Ron has a very small one man operation. Being republican does not mean you are wealthy monetarily. In high school while everyone took french I took business classes with the JRs and then went into DECA. So maybe I had an early start in learning how business works and the needs to have them make a profit and do well. If business does not do well then anyone that works for these businesses wont either. Your pay and benefits all come from a business that is functioning at their level of expectation. If you yourself were a business owner and were hit with a higher tax would you increase employee benefits no matter how hard it hit your business or would you either cut out a benefit or maybe a job to keep your business functioning at the level of expectation?

I hope this explained to you why we are republican. No hard feelings! I am glad you are asking questions.

Fran
 
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Again, no hard feelings. My background is very similar to Fran's, lucky enough to have grown up with both parents alive and well, but definitely central Kansas hard-working very small farmers. Always enough to eat and a comfy clean (and paid for) home, but that home was paid for by a Dad that worked full time "in town" and farmed our 80 acre wheat farm evenings and weekends, and a frugal stay-at-home Mom that sewed, gardened, canned and did all she could with her time to contribute to our lives. In addition to Fran's thoughts regarding the need for businesses to make profits and stay successful in order to provide goods and jobs, one of the biggest reasons I am Republican in this period of history is because of the abortion issues (and a little bit of strong feelings regarding the necessity of keeping our governmental hands OFF of the 2nd amendment.) Abortion is MURDER, plain and simple. Perhaps justifiable in cases of rape, incest and grave danger to the mothers health (not entirely sure about that). If it weren't murder, then in cases where a pregnant woman is murdered, the convicted murderer would't be charged with 2 murders (mother and unborn child), but rather only for the murder of the woman. Hope I haven't offended any of you, but this is how I feel.
 
I will add that we grew up poor too, 12 kids in the family, worked like dogs, couldn't join school activities, never had new clothes, laughed at in school, dad got sick when we were young so grew up on welfare, our mom was quite mean to us and by the way, had no indoor plumbing till I was out of high school and left home. l Now I consider myself low middle class and I just lost my job to Mexico. I know what poor is and I consider myself rich now, very rich and I so don't want my kids or grandkids to have to go thru bad times so hope like heck that someone can get the country straightened out and give the middle class and the poor people some help because they are the ones that need it, not the millionaires.

I agree with the abortion being murder but sometimes a person should have the choice, it's a touchy subject. I hope to get some more answers here too, still trying to see what people think, half the country can't be crazy so maybe it's me.
 
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I think this is very interesting that you asked. I too wonder how people can vote Republican after what we have gotten the last 8 years from a Republican. So much is wrong in this country right now and it will take a heck of a team to set things right again. I don't understand how Mc Cain thinks he can set things right after voting 90% of the time right along the Bush mentality. Now we see that Mcain will lower taxes for the richest and the heck with the middle class. This is how it has been and seems it will continue with what MCain says. He and his wife have riches that anyone would like to have and his wife has no idea what sacrifices the middle class has to make while she wears her $300,000. 00 outfits to campain for her husband. Like I have said before, there is nothing wrong in being rich but we need a president that is looking out for the hard working middleclass for a change. Have you read some of the latest such as bailing out the two mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac....this is being allowed by Bush and we, will pay dearly for it. I don't know if Obamha will make a better president but I am considering giving him a chance. Of course, no matter who is in charge, I think their job will be huge and take some miracles to get this country on track. Before long China will own this country if things continue as is. JMHO

"NEW YORK - Stocks mostly advanced Monday as investors placed bets that a recovery in the financial and housing sectors is more likely to occur following the U.S. government's move to bail out mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Dow Jones industrials gained more than 150 points but the Nasdaq composite index declined as technology stocks lagged.

The announcement Sunday that the Treasury Department was seizing control of the companies, which own or back about half the nation's mortgage debt, brushed aside investors' long-simmering worries that the pair would be felled by a spike in bad mortgage debt.

Investors were hoping that the plan to inject up to $100 billion in each of the government-chartered mortgage financiers could not only help lower mortgage rates but perhaps help buoy the overall economy. The move could help banks feel more open to write new mortgages and to refinance existing mortgages at lower rates, offering a possible lifeline to consumers struggling with increasing payments.

But the government's steadying hand for two institutions that many Wall Street observers had said were simply too big to let fail isn't likely to alleviate troubles for homeowners who have fallen far behind on their mortgages.

Dave Rovelli, managing director of U.S. equity trading at Canaccord Adams in New York, said while the plan boosts confidence in sectors like financials and home builders, it doesn't immediately alleviate worries about other areas of the economy. Still, he said the move was far more welcome than a collapse of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.

"It saves Armageddon from happening," he said. "If you think about it this helps the financials, this helps the housing market. Tech took a huge hit last week. Does this really affect tech? I don't think so."

In midafternoon trading, the Dow Jones industrial average rose 168.38, or 1.50 percent, to 11,389.34 after being up nearly 350 points in the early going.

Broader stock indicators were mixed. The Standard & Poor's 500 index advanced 12.05, or 0.97 percent, to 1,254.36, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 5.56, or 0.25 percent, to 2,250.32.

Bond prices pulled back Monday. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, rose to 3.71 percent from 3.69 percent late Friday. The dollar was higher against other major currencies, while gold prices rose.

Common shares of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be made virtually worthless by the plan, which will dilute the stock. But the companies' shares had already suffered huge declines in the last year so many shareholders have already endured the majority of their losses.

Fannie Mae shares plunged $6.29, or 89 percent, to 75 cents, while Freddie Mac fell $4.35, or 85 percent, to 75 cents.

"This was another needed piece of the puzzle with regard to eliminating fear and stress in the market," said Jim Dunigan, chief investment officer for PNC Wealth Management in Philadelphia, referring to the government's move. "It helps with the balance sheet questions that are out there for financials without a doubt."

Still, Dunigan remains cautious.

This isn't a magic wand. We're probably going to see another couple bank failures," he said.
 
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Frankly, I'm a little confused given the current state of our nation that people vote Republican because of business. I would think if keeping Republicans in office helped business which kept the economy afloat, the nation would be in a far better place financially.

I'm STILL trying to find the exact research, but I did hear recently that over the last sixty years, the economy has done better under a Democratic president than a Republican one, and that in addition to that people with lower to mid incomes do better with a Democrat in office, but those with higher incomes do equally as well no matter who's in office.

I've always thought a lot of it comes down to values. A lot of Republicans are very strongly for 2nd amendment rights (so am I, and I'm a Dem), against abortion (I dislike the term pro-life as well), for the death penalty, more religious than not, and so on. When looking for leaders you tend to seek out those that have morals and ethics in line with yours, and are more likely to enact policies in line with your beliefs.

Of course, you have a LOT of people who mix it up. You have some Republicans who are pro gay marriage, Dems who are pro gun...you get the picture.

And then you have people who vote with one party or another because that's what they've always done, or what their family had always done. A lot of times those people have little idea what they're voting for, and that's the kind of ignorance that makes my blood boil. Having said that I need to go staple some pamphlets to my friend's foreheads.
 
I apologize, Marnie, that people aren't going to let you learn why we feel the way we do. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to PM or email me. I'll answer them to my best ability.

And according to Fatcheck FATCHECK

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Also, Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ.

And so . . .

So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career.

- Emi Kolawole"
I guess everyone needs to believe in something. I chose to believe in the truth not a delusion.

Fran
 
Marnie, I like you a lot, however...

When I read just your topic title, you know the first thing that pops into my mind is how can anyone who's informed and intelligent not back McCain and Palin. I just don't understand why Obama appeals to many voters. Sincerely.

Offensive, probably. But not not any more so than what has been said in the other direction, and it's honestly how I feel.

Thankfully, according to recent polls, 54% of the likely voters are in favor of McCain, with 44% favoring Obama. It makes me thrilled to see that right now, most of "us" are on the right track.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110110/Gallup-D...Point-Lead.aspx
 
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But Jill, I know you like Mc Cain, you've stated it many times and you are one of the ones I wanted an answer from but no one tells me why? I swear, I'm not being a smart alec, I really want to know why some one would think their ideas' are good. I'll wait to watch the debates, to see the issues, so far the repubs just talk about how great each other is and how horrible Obama is, I want to see the debates. this should be an exciting year. If no one will tell me, I guess it'll remain one of the seven wonders of the world, I'll never get it. I know why I vote Democrat, I've stated it but I take it that they do tax small business's but I guess that's all I get from this thread. Maybe it's because the parents did, I don't know, I'm at a loss. I must be a dim witt, it's a good thing I'm not running for president.
 
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But Jill, I know you like Mc Cain, you've stated it many times and you are one of the ones I wanted an answer from but no one tells me why? I swear, I'm not being a smart alec...
Marnie, I believe McCain has the vision, decisiveness and experience to successfully lead our Nation. I do not feel Obama does. In my heart, I honestly feel our Nation's welfare depends on McCain being elected and that we will be in a precarious position if Obama is elected.

I'm loving the boost that Palin brings! She impresses me greatly and the "negative" things reported about her to my ears are so minor especially when I know how hard the press has worked to try and ferret out anything big, with no real luck at all. Palin is a someone I admire and am just tickled with what she brings.

McCain will help insure that wars our soldiers fight will not be fought on home soil. <--------------

McCain will expand trade / promote free trade to strengthen our economy.

McCain will make taxation more fair and level, currently the top 25% of US tax payers pay 84% of the total federal income tax burden (and I"m sick of it -- most of you who think that's fine and so what if the rich pay that much would be surprised to see YOU are also probably in the top 25%).

McCain will work to free the US from dependence on foreign oil.

McCain will work to make health care more affordable and but will not promote a socialized medical system.

These are some of the things I believe and some of the reasons I am voting for McCain.

PS, Marnie, I'm sorry I didn't answer you in my previous post. I'm so used to bashing from the other side, I didn't understand you sincerely were asking for "why". Thank you for asking and for listening, even if you do not agree with my reasoning as to why he is the right man for our Nation.
 
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I am another one from a poor family with a long history of being conservative. I personally am more moderate, but I mostly vote republican--mostly since I look at issues and not at the D or R. I am prolife and that is an important issue to me. I am also sick to death of working and working and working to pay for government programs that don't just help the less fortunate--they make them dependant! I believe in a strong military--maybe that is family pride and being raised to be proud of our military and what we have accomplished. I believe in LESS government involvement and am SO tired of everything having to be PC. I am tired of our jobs being sent overseas while our industry fades away leaving us without jobs and with more foreign dependancy. I hate that families with generations of small business being passed down are lost to the inheritance taxes (thanks from all family businesses go to GW for removing that--though Obama wants to slap it back in place asap!) I can go into more detail on any of these opinions, but am keeping it brief for now.

As for the current group in office...well...I have to admit of being disapointed. Being mostly conservative I believe in less government involvement, less handouts to those who won't work to help themselves and less goverment dependancy. If I wanted to live in a socialist country there are plenty to chose from. My husband and I work our butts off for everything we have and make a surprisingly small amount compared to a lot of people, but what we have we are proud of and would like to keep. I think there is plenty of room for change and I am hopeful that McCaine and Palin will stand by the true conservative roots while expanding on rights for people despite sexual orientation (Palin has voted FOR gay rights) and helping to solve the healthcare crisis. I will be voting Republican because I don't think socialism is right for our country.

As for being embarassed by our current administration...was having a president who lied under oath and used the oval office as his own personal brothell while sending millions of jobs overseas better for us?
 
Very well put, Jill!

I am a Republican because I want to live in a free country, have my own freedom

Anita
 
I will be voting for Republican because I don't think socialism is right for our country

Very good point FairytailGlennMinis

1950 a young unkown man came to Cuba and promised "Change". Goverment help for famers, free health care, gov. schools, gov. controlled business, gov help to anyone........... Folks didn't asked: "whats your change young man?"

They all yelled "we want change, change, change........ Viva Fidel!

This was 1950 see what is Cuba in 2008 and the years to come

A
 
As for being embarassed by our current administration...was having a president who lied under oath and used the oval office as his own personal brothell while sending millions of jobs overseas better for us?
Well, in the last 8 years jobs have continued to go overseas. So have troops. The National Debt has had the biggest increase in history and rose at a faster rate than all the proceeding adminstrations (both Republican and Democratic) put together. Prior to W, the debt was finally decreasing. The American dollar has fallen drastically in value in the last few months. And at times the truth has been danced with rather freely - Weapons of Mass Deception, perhaps. IMO honesty is in short supply across the board - no matter what party or what politician is involved...

A brothel? Yeah - it was unbelievably, incredibly stupid (and then some) - but one bimbo does not a brothel make... and at least it did not affect the economy, national security etc. *snort*

But as to why people pick a party and stay there - everyone has their own belief system... and their own ideals... and many find one path that they like and just stay there no matter who the candidate is. Some are died in the wool Republicans... some diehard Democrats. Sometimes it is a family "tradition", sometimes a personal one. Sometimes the area of the country you live in leans more one way or the other and you are influenced by your peers.

Everyone is entitled to follow their own course - and while at times it seems mindboggling to people on either side that anyone could possibly not see things the way they do becaue their way is the right way, it seems to have been working well for many countries for many years.... the fact that there is more than one side to any issue and any decision means we are always free to make our own choices.
 
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Tagalong you missed one point I made...if you want to quote me make sure you get all of it... "As for the current group in office...well...I have to admit of being disapointed." I am hoping that McCain and Palin will bring those jobs back to this country.
 
I hate to say this but that was President Clinton who send mill jobs overseas and made business with China and much more

Anita
 
Tagalong you missed one point I made...if you want to quote me make sure you get all of it... "As for the current group in office...well...I have to admit of being disapointed." I am hoping that McCain and Palin will bring those jobs back to this country.
You are right - thanks
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- I meant to include that as well - but my brain froze on the thought of Monica under the desk. Ick.

Hopefully, if elected, McCain will start to bring jobs back - and reverse that flow that continues to this day. And pull the National Debt out of the plunge it is in... eliminate the current practice of borrowing money from Japan, China and others... and clean up the mess that W will have left behind.
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The next couple of months are going to be very interesting...
 
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I agree, Anita... And had Clinton taking appropriate action after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, or appropriate action after the 2000 attack on the USS Cole, I wonder how different our world might be?
 
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It was Bill Clinton who also pushed NAFTA through so that is what happened to America's jobs.
 

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