For those of you who did not think Einstein was a Dwarf

[chandab]

Check out "The View" clip that's on that page, at least he's now wearing a proper halter for his appearances (at least this one anyway).

I still really don't know for sure about the dwarf issues, but definitely poor conformation.

 

[Tremor]

Check out "The View" clip that's on that page, at least he's now wearing a proper halter for his appearances (at least this one anyway).

I still really don't know for sure about the dwarf issues, but definitely poor conformation.

When was he on the View?

 

[atotton]

I'm not sure I was just googled Einstein, when I stumbled upon the clip.

 

[disneyhorse]

Attoton... Thanks for the link... I don't check out Facebook or anything... But man is his head giant....

 

[ohmt]

Atotton-they remark on not breeding horses of his size, not that they are going to be breeding him. On one of the many other Einstein threads someone emailed the owners and posted the response and they have absolutely no plans to breed him. He looks great in the video and he is obviously well cared for and loved. These threads amaze me. Dwarf, no. Breeding quality, heck no. I just still don't understand the big fuss over him.

On another note, a breeder from Oregon was just charged with about 30 counts of animal neglect. Let's see if that gets 5 pages of comments.

 

[shadelady]

Sadly i think this subject has been done to death. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of badly conformed minis out there, a large number of you on here will have bred one yourselves at some point. Just because his mis informed ( or very smart !) owners have chosen this as a money making excersise in no reason to start bashing his breeding. It takes two to make a foal, and no one has passed any comment about the mare's bloodlines. Between you all you have thoroughly upset a very lovely lady who has done nothing but good for the mini industry over the years, and supported this forum, and driven her away from here.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

The owners do not need the money, I do not think it is about the money at all. They have spent thousands and thousands of dollars on this little "child substitute" and I honestly think they think they are doing right by him. In the grand scale of things it matters not one whit- he is not ours, we can do NOTHING to "rectify" the situation (and none of us have the money for his ongoing care anyway) so what are we complaining about?

Yes, it is distasteful to me to see all the publicity and misinformation that goes on, on his page and every time he appears on TV (There is a programme made here called "Super Tiny Animals" that has all the information I have put up about him, and more, on it- you may be able to find it [legally] on You Tube if it is not on Animal Planet, my friend was on it and was very careful to explain the difference between her dwarf and her other minis) but whining all over these pages about it is not going to change anything. Go make a legal challenge to their usage of "The smallest horse" if it annoys you so much, go on their website and ask them nicely to correct all their mistakes, in short, do something.

Here is not the place to be chewing all this over- AGAIN.

As to anyone being driven away form the Forum- I saw nothing on here to upset anyone except the most thin skinned, quite frankly, the Mods are all over anyone who gets too sharp, and no-one has. Everything that is discussed is out there in the common domain.

I just think we have better things to do.

Like real cruelty!

 

[Jill]

Who CARES if they need money. Doesn't change that a really poor example of our breed is being exploited, poor manners showcased, and the public given the wrong impression. No wonder people are surprised to see that quality minis "look like real horses". If most minis were like Einstein, I'd never have wanted one. Not a fan of how that little horse is being used.

 

[Tremor]

It takes two to make a foal, and no one has passed any comment about the mare's bloodlines.

I have...multiple times in this thread. I've mentioned how I'm not surprised by his condition because of her pedigree....most notably Bonds Tiny Tim.

Just saying.

 

[mdegner]

Well said Rabbitsfizz and OHMT, lets move on to real cruelty and five pages worth of comments.

I can't believe people are naming and bashing the stud and mare on this forum. There are real people who own those horses and this is beyond the pale. All of us who breed horses have had horses that are great and some that are not so great. I sure as heck wouldn't want someone throwing around my horse's name on here because of a less than stellar progeny example. At best, it shows a complete lack of empathy and at worst, it's mean spirited and cruel.

ENOUGH ALREADY

 

[Jill]

At the risk of stating what may be obvious, those receptive to an anti-cruelty message are the very people who'd never commit it. In all sincerity, I think that includes every person here.

 

[Connie P]

I was not going to respond here but I have decided to place my last Facebook post here so people will know the truth. Thank you.

My point here is this and then I really must move forward as I am a very busy woman and try to stay very focused on positive things. Have Einstein's owners placed him in the public eye. Absolutely!

Have Einstein's owners been promoting him as a breeding stallion? Not that I have ever seen. Have Einstein's owners promoted him as a "perfect" example of the miniature horse breed? Not that I have ever seen. This dwarf topic has been beaten absolutely to death in every way, shape and form (regarding this particular horse) and it is cruel and unnecessary. Yes indeed his wonderful owners have placed him in the public eye as "the smallest stallion". That is the only way I have ever seen this little horse publicized. When people start slinging mud at his sire and grandsire because "they" have determined on their own (sight unseen I'm sure) that Einstein is a dwarf in "their" opinion that is crude, rude AND Malicious! There are many horses in this industry that have produced dwarfs. It is part of the breed people. Is Einstein a dwarf? I have no idea, nor do I care to be quite frank. I think he is cute as a button and boy is he ever loved by his human family. God Bless them!

I have been contacted by the owner of LB with a beautiful note and I will work with her privately from here. God bless to all and please try to be nice to one another. XXOO

 

[horsehug]

Extremely well said, Connie!

Susan O.

 

[Minimor]

There are many horses in this industry that have produced dwarfs. It is part of the breed people.

The first statement is true. The second one--also true. It is also true that people will talk about it and even debate the topic when someone asks if or states that a certain horse is a dwarf. The fact that dwarfism is part of the breed is no reason to not talk about it--and it is no excuse for anyone to continue breeding with known dwarf producers (I know, not a part of this thread, but it is a fact that some do use it as an excuse for their horses--sort of like the locking stifle problem!)

It is nice that Einstein is well cared for and much loved; it is too bad that they don't promote him as the worlds smallest GELDING. It is too bad that the mini horse getting the most publicity is this one. I have visions of telling someone I have Miniatures and they respond: oh, like Einstein!

I would have to say um, no , not hardly!!

 

[Minimor]

I'm sorry, I totally forgot that little thing, that we are not supposed to talk about dwarfism. Some would like to keep it the miniature horse's dirty little secret? If we don't talk about it then it doesn't exist?

I am also deeply sorry that people are bashing you, ML, because of this discussion!!

 

[mshasta88]

I was also not going to say anything, but after carefully reading this thread and doing my research on the stallion, I’m not too impressed. Weather he is a dwarf or not, he is a very poor example of our breed like many others have mentioned. When I see conformational issues on a horse that can potentially cause pain and hurt to the animal, I find nothing cute or adorable about it. I feel for the horse and I’m saddened that he has been wrongfully put up for display like this. Furthermore, there is no reason why this horse should be kept a stallion even if there was no intention to breed him. Like Mary Lou said, we have the right to defend our breed especially if it’s being represented by an undesirable stallion at best. I think it is right for the public to understand that this little guy should not be representing the breed.

 

[Mona]

What I don't understand is why it is OK to name dwarfs and dwarf producers of the past, yet it is not OK to talk about the ones living, when it is the one living, and in the breed at the current time, that affects us the most?!

 

[rabbitsfizz]

I do not see any of that as a problem, Mona, and I am not sure where it said that it was.

My point is that it is all irrelevant as we cannot do anything about whether or not they breed Einstein, except maybe hope that AMHA, for once, actually gives a (insert Rhett Butler statement here) and prevents the registration of the foals, or hope the owners do have enough sense to realise that a little operated u[on, spine full of steel rods, unsocialised, beastie is not actually breedable.

If this thread were just discussing dwarfs and dwarf producers it would be great, educational and really useful, but it seems to be degenerating into a criticism of the owners (no matter how polite).

The fact that ML and LB are getting flak form this would suggest that most people around the animal himself do actually know that what is being said, hard though it may be to accept, is actually true, but are not ready to have their bubble burst yet!

The general public? *le sigh* Well, just remember that the horses that bring the high prices, whenever they appear at auction, are still the dwarfs....

 

[2minis4us]

Whether it has been to death as a topic or not, are we NOT allowed to discuss it on here ?

 

[misty'smom]

I am new here and I am getting my first mini on Saturday. After doing much research and getting some advice here I decided to get her stablemate Josie who is a dwarf. I understand that a dwarf is a genetic defect but I did not know that it is such a "touchy" topic. I am getting Josie as a companion for Misty and she will be given the same love and care as Misty. I taught in special Ed for 8 years and I look at the mini dwarfs as a mini with "down syndrome". I know that I will have questions that I would like to be able to ask all of you that have the experience but is this topic " a no, no or taboo??" I do understand that they should NOT be breed or promoted but they do exist and sharing knowledge can only help to better educate people with minis and dwarfs.