Here is the same one as the first image, but I put a yellow line again, where I think Lyn is referring to tie-in vs. withers, and I get a pretty steep angle up towards the withers.
If it should be like I am interpreting what Lyn is saying, the angle should be the other way...?
I also put pink lines on the angles of his hip and shoulder, hoping that is what people are seeing when they evaluate conformation, because it is where I look as a starting point to see if a horse's overall proportions are pleasing and are going to produce the movement I need in a driving horse.
I am sorry to hijack your thread, Tia, but I thought maybe someone would come in and correct me if I'm wrong, or confirm what I'm seeing.
Feel free to take either of my photos and re-evaluate and/or edit w/your own lines.
Both horses are mine and I have thick skin.
Liz M.