Black (Ee, EE) verses Red (ee)

[ladydoc]

Now that we can easily and inexpensively determine the genotype of a horse, I would love to see other peoples pics of their genetically tested horses. Phenotype (what color they look like) isn't always easy to determine in miniatures and I would sure welcome input from everyone who has tested genotype (EE, Ee,ee). Personally, I think Bay vs sorrel is one of the hardest. Post your pics and results. Thanks!

 

[Shari]

To me sorrel/chestnut verses Bay is easy.

Maggie was tested way back when and is Red ee,, so is Theia.

Maggie.. Did not test her for Sabino but she does have Sabino ticking ... same with her Daughter Theia. Maggie is a medium dark Liver Chestnut when she isn't sun faded. Mixed black and blondish Mane and tail.. Some Liver chestnuts can make people think they are bay.

Theia

It is hard to see but Theia also has a mixed black and Blonish mane. Her tail is just red and white.

Theia when she was 2 years old.. can see her black muzzle.

This web site is pretty good at talking about the shades of Chestnut.

http://www.equinecolor.com/chestnut.html

 

[Joanne]

It is all about the testing. Phenotypically they can be deceiving.

Here is our yearling Pacific Dove. She tested EE. She appears to be solid white. That is due to her having three pattern genes. She has no visible black on her.

[SIZE=10pt]Dove has tested positive for the Frame (LWO), Sabino (sb1), and Tobiano genes. Her agouti test was Aa, so she is either a bay or brown. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]She is also tested Homozygous for Black EE (she can never have a red foal no matter what stallion she is bred to).[/SIZE]

 

[Loess Hills]

Testing is the only CERTAIN determination of genotype. Phenotype (what you see) is deceptive, because there are other factors which determine what you see visually.

This is our homozygous black (EE) stallion, Circle S Aces High, who will always produce black as a base pigment. This could include smoky black, bay, grullo, buckskin, silver bay, etc., depending upon the other factors.

Interesting he has produced many different black-based colors. Here's a silver-bay filly whom AMHA registered as a palomino, Loess Hills Aces Silk N Sassy. Dam is a red roan who carries the silver dilution gene. You can see she has the darker lower legs, which developed as she matured.

Ace has produced many black and bay pintos, even when bred to a solid-colored mare..........although he is heterozygous for Tobiano. Here are a few:

We're making a concerted effort to test all our adult horses and each foal as they come along. I'll probably run out of money, before I run out of horse test subjects!

It's fascinating to trace and watch the different genetic factors in each horse.

 

[PaintedMeadows]

Very cool thread! Thanks for starting it.

 

[eagles ring farm]

Our Stallion

"Triple Ks Boogie Bow Tie"

28" Smutty Buckskin

Is Black EE (homozygous for Black)

Which means he can only produce black based colors

 

[Shari]

Was hoping to see more ee's.... though all the blacks are pretty too.

 

[CheyAut]

Ee and no OLW. Obviously aa, so didn't test for that.

Ee no grey.

Here's my crazy (color) girl... she is tested Ee Aa Zn Crn

Ee aa Zn no cream

Ee aa Zn no cream

Obviously ee, so didn't test. aa ZZ no OLW

Obviously ee, didn't test. aa

Ee aa no cream no silver no OLW

Ee AA (just realized I wrote it wrong on my website, oops!) no OLW

And just to show how crazy coats can be... this mare is black, not bay (purebred FPS/FHANA Friesian) who loves to stand in the sun and bleach

Her coat before bleaching

Jessi

 

[Magic]

This is one of my newest mares. I thought for sure she was a silver bay, with as dark as her mane is, but nope, she tested ee

 

[ladydoc]

Here are two of my boys, both tested Ee, Aa

Both were assumed ee, by their breeders

 

[PaintNminis]

Sapphire Tested out as ee Aa LWO N/N

She has a Pretty Blonde Mane and Tail but she has Silver and Black

Hairs Mixed in Possibly Carries Silver?

Then this is her half Sister Jazz who Tested out

ee aa LWO & Silver N/N and she's Homozygous For Tobiano

Jazz is a Different Red then Sapphire.

Then This is Jadis but I'm not sure if she is Silver Bay or Sorrel

Once I get some extra Money I will be Testing her for just about

Everything

Any Guesses lol on her color?

 

[targetsmom]

Our stallion, SRF Buckshot

Obviously ee, so not tested, Aa, no silver (his dam was silver black), LWO negative

Mare bred to him, Jones Call Me Blue Admiration:

EE (they can't have a red foal!!!), Aa, silver, LWO+, and obviously gray, but genetically a silver bay, (gray) frame overo

She got the silver and gray from Blue Boy and the LWO (and blue eye) from Rowdy/Cross Country Call Me Awesome (well, that is just a guess.. can't know for sure)

 

[cretahillsgal]

This is my stallion, Dealer. He is EE, Aa, Tt, carries cream. Not really any surprises there.

This is Lucky, my Jr Stallion. He is ee, Aa, Tt, Zz, carries sabino and is LWO Neg. I have since decided that I want my breeding to lean towards the buckskin/blacks. So may not be using him for breeding. Depending on how he matures I may be using the next little stallion instead.

This is Moonie, my other new little stallion. He is out of a grey mare, but has tested neg for Grey. He is also Ee, aa, Tt.

This is one of my yearling mares, Whispy. She tested EE, aa, LWO Neg and Negative for tobiano which was surprising as both her dam and sire were loudly marked tobiano pintos.

This is my other yearling mare, Glitter. Her pic is in my avatar also. She is genetically a silver bay testing Ee, Aa, TT, Zz, and LWO Negative.

And last but not least, this is Cherish. She tested Ee, aa, Tt, LWO Neg. Not really any surprises here either.

I have a couple others that I want to get tested, but am waiting for extra money to just be found laying around the house! Yeah right! LOL