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~Palomino~

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Is there any spiders that are dangerous to the horses? What spider spray would be safe around the horses, or is there any? I cant STAND spiders and I want to spray for them and kill them all!! I am SPIDERPHOBIC!!

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Hi Gage - I used to live about 30 miles from you in Heber. The only spiders that I knew of that could be a potential problem to HUMANS, were black widow spiders. First, I think a spider would have a really tough time biting a horse because of the hair. I suppose black widows might be big enough though. They usually live in dark places, like old basements, and undisturbed wood and rock piles. Usually horses don't hang out in places like that. I've never seen a horse nosing through an old wood or rock pile. I have personally never even heard of a horse being bitten by a spider, but the thing to do is to call the vets in your area. Do you know Dr. Wright? She could tell you if any horses in the area have been bitten by spiders, and what type they were. You would look in the Park City phone book, but she is right out on I 80 . She is an equine specialist and travels all over the state.

I hate to tell you this, but you would be unsuccessful at trying killing ALL the spiders. There are just too many! Personally I think the stuff that killed spiders would be way more dangerous than the spiders, but again I think you should ask a vet.

I don't love having spiders in my house, but I don't really mind them. I figure they are part of life, like storms and sunsets, and I can either be upset about them or accept them. I try real hard to accept them.
 

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oh I love heber!! I like Coalville better though!! how long ago did you used to live here? The other bad spiders are Hobo's!! and Coalville is knowen to have LOTS of hobo's!!

I use Docter Ison(SP) he is in Heber!!

well, I would finish talking but I got to go, we are taking my mare to the arena:)

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Hey, Dr. Isom is AWESOME!!!! He used to do work for me. Ask him about the insane lady that had Jacob sheep and llamas, and moved to New Mexico!!!! That would be me!
However Dr. Wright, being an equine specialist, would be the one (at least I would think so) to hear of a horse being bitten by a spider. But ask Dr. Isom too. He is a smart guy.

I will look up Hobo spiders on the web.... (Grin) but I never heard of them actually biting a horse. I think they live in houses??? But I will look them up and see what I can find. Have fun in the arena with your horse!!!
 

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Jacquee said:
Hey, Dr. Isom is AWESOME!!!! He used to do work for me. Ask him about the insane lady that had Jacob sheep and llamas, and moved to New Mexico!!!! That would be me! 
  However Dr. Wright, being an equine specialist, would be the one (at least I would think so) to hear of a horse being bitten by a spider. But ask Dr. Isom too. He is a smart guy.
I will look up Hobo spiders on the web.... (Grin) but I never heard of them actually biting a horse. I think they live in houses??? But I will look them up and see what I can find. Have fun in the arena with your horse!!!

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yes, we had GREAT fun in the arena (and so did Magic:) ohhhhhh talking about spiders gives me the itches!! I will have to ask if he knows you!! is your real name Jacquee'? I will have to look up docter Wright!! I REALLY REALLY like Dr. Reese in SLC! he saved my mares life and I have herd it is one of the best vets there is!! kinda onry but he does good with the horses!

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Do you have brown recluse spiders in Utah? They are nasty & do occasionally bite horses. I know of one horse that was bitten under his jaw and left him quite debilitated. He was a long time recuperating from that.
 

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No Utah has no brown recluse (which is not to say someone might move a couple there with their furniture, but they can't get established there and quickly die) it is too dry. But the hobo spider can have a bite similar to brown recluse, and people sometimes think it was brown recluse. The brown recluse lives in the more eastern part of the midwest.

About those hobos - DO NOT use spider spray! I just read about them and it turns out that one of the things that keeps hobos under control is other spiders, which eat the hobos. If you spray, you will kill off the beneficial spiders but not the hobos. The spray is not effective on them at this time of the year. You could try glue traps too if you are worried about hobos.

Hobo spiders live in dark areas usually under something - like a pile of wood, under your house, in dark crawl spaces etc. They are nocturnal. Again, these are places that horses do not go. I would think that _YOU_ would be more at risk than your horses. Hobo spiders came from Europe and were probably sent here accidentally with a load of something or other, and probably arrived as egg cases. They became established in Oregon first, and by 1980 or so had arrived in UT. They don't cause much trouble in Europe because there are more aggresive spiders there that eat the hobos, so the hobos are not able to come in contact with people. (These spiders that eat the hobos are more aggresive to OTHER SPIDERS, not people.) However, out in the West, there are not so many aggresive predators for the hobos, and if people unwittingly help them out by spraying and killing off the other predators, the hobos do quite well.

The bite can be bad, but this only occurs about 30% of the time. Most of the time when a hobo bites it is a defensive bite and they inject no venom. Of the bites that have venom, only a small portion of those cause real problems. Most heal just fine within two months. However if you get bitten you must catch the spider and bring it with you to the clinic. That way they can identify it and give appropriate treatment.

I'll be interested to hear what the vets say about horses being bitten by spiders. Say hi to Drs. Isom and Wright for me and yes, Jacquee' is my real name. I was the only person there raising Jacob sheep so that should identify me to both vets. I agree with you about Dr. Reece!!!
Nice to hear about UT again, it brings back old memories.
 

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Jacquee said:
No Utah has no brown recluse (which is not to say someone might move a couple there with their furniture, but they can't get established there and quickly die) it is too dry. But the hobo spider can have a bite similar to brown recluse, and people sometimes think it was brown recluse. The brown recluse lives in the more eastern part of the midwest.
About those hobos - DO NOT use spider spray! I just read about them and it turns out that one of the things that keeps hobos under control is other spiders, which eat the hobos. If you spray, you will kill off the beneficial spiders but not the hobos. The spray is not effective on them at this time of the year. You could try glue traps too if you are worried about hobos.

Hobo spiders live in dark areas usually under something - like a pile of wood, under your house, in dark crawl spaces etc. They are nocturnal. Again, these are places that horses do not go. I would think that _YOU_ would be more at risk than your horses. Hobo spiders came from Europe and were probably sent here accidentally with a load of something or other, and probably arrived as egg cases. They became established in Oregon first, and by 1980 or so had arrived in UT. They don't cause much trouble in Europe because there are more aggresive spiders there that eat the hobos, so the hobos are not able to come in contact with people. (These spiders that eat the hobos are more aggresive to OTHER SPIDERS, not people.) However, out in the West, there are not so many aggresive predators for the hobos, and if people unwittingly help them out by spraying and killing off the other predators, the hobos do quite well.

The bite can be bad, but this only occurs about 30% of the time. Most of the time when a hobo bites it is a defensive bite and they inject no venom. Of the bites that have venom, only a small portion of those cause real problems. Most heal just fine within two months. However if you get bitten you must catch the spider and bring it with you to the clinic. That way they can identify it and give appropriate treatment.

I'll be interested to hear what the vets say about horses being bitten by spiders. Say hi to Drs. Isom and Wright for me and yes, Jacquee' is my real name. I was the only person there raising Jacob sheep so that should identify me to both vets. I agree with you about Dr. Reece!!! 
Nice to hear about UT again, it brings back old memories.

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yep, My mom just said some people do and some people dont beleive that, i think they just get hobo's and brown recluses mixed up or think they are both the same sprider!!

Thanks Jacqee' I will tell my mom not to use spider spray anymore, but I THINK she might use this spray that is made for the hobo's, not sure i will ask, yep she did get a spray spesificly(SP) for hobo's! I think it is not a danger for the animals or the humans!

If I could get my hands on those people who brought that spider over (LOL) Just kidding

I will talk to Dr. Isom and ask! Dr. reeese isnt my main vet cause he is really $$$$$ when my mare choked he charge $250.00 to put a tube down her throught and it onlly took him about 10 miniutes!! Dr, isom is pretty much my horse vet!

Did you grow up in utah? how come you moved!! I love Utah

-Gage-
 

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I've been finding those brown wolf spiders in the feed buckets, dont know if they would bite but they are so dang big. We do have Black widows, but usually dont find them , they like to hide.
 

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