Question - Was the U.S. founded as a Republic or a Democracy?

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This is actually a good question for everyone, but especially kids in school!

What is the difference between a Republic and a Democracy? What are WE (the United States)???

Yes, I have the definitions available, but I would love people's input, first.
 
To answer your question I believe we were founded as a republic that was a democracy and continue by definition to be that although Im not sure our leaders represent ALL the people any more. .
 
well,, I know it is not,,, "For the people by the people" any more.

Every year more of our rights,, go away little by little with new laws( I have brought a couple of them to light here)..people don't care because that one law doesn't effect them...and before you know it....the Gov owns half the banks, passes laws witih out telling the public and so on.

So what do we have now... an out of control Monster run by Big business.
 
I think this is what it should be and is NOT

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
 
I don't really care about party lines... life is too short. What I do care about.... is someone that can do the job fairly and correctly, across all boundries.
 
We are a type of REPUBLIC. Not a Democracy. When Benjamin Franklin was asked "Sir what do you give us ? Benjamin Answered a Republic if you can keep it."

We are not the first Republic. There have been many others. However we are the first to recognize there are Inherent and Inalienable rights that come from a Creator. Not Government. Before 1950 the US Army training manual listed the US as a republic, and defined democracy as the first step towards Socialism. After 1950 the Army training Manual said we are A Democracy so the majority decide what the military should do.

A question might be more helpful to answer this question. It is right for a democracy to decide by 51% that all fat people or "Jews" should be exterminated ? That is the simplest definition of a Democracy. The Majority RULE PERIOD...

However we hear this banter of the American Democracy. That is a relatively new term taken out of context.

To make this short we are a REPUBLIC, Think Pledge of Allegiance, however we are a type.

They type is a Constitutionally LIMITED , democratic, REPUBLIC.

Ie The people have the power and the vested Rights, By a Democratic process we elect Representatives to represent us. However their scope is limited by the Constitution and the defined and limited scope. There our also Checks and Balance provided to the people and sometimes through a democratic process " initiatives and referendums" that we can direct legislate our own affairs. However that democratic process still has limits based upon the Declaration of Independence , The Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the respective States.

This is a primer, not the thesis.
 
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Much of our early governing was changed by the influence of the Haudenosaunee who ruled deomocratically...as in "for the people by the people" with elders as leaders/guides. We could learn alot from the old ways....politics has lost sight of the people.
 
We are a type of REPUBLIC. Not a Democracy. When Benjamin Franklin was asked "Sir what do you give us ? Benjamin Answered a Republic if you can keep it."

Well and truly said Adela!

Our founders knew all about "democracy" and the eventual destruction that they ALWAYS lead to and wanted no part of it for this grand experiment.

The key phrase "if you can keep it" shows you the comportment between citizen (creator) and government (created). It IS an adversarial relationship that we are to have with government. Our founders knew this. Taking your eye of of that "fearful master" and allowing even the smallest Constitutional infringement IS the road to ruin.

Now through manipulation and chicanery the servant dictates to and RULES over the masters.

Thank you Adela, its very nice to meet another student and "master". Many are still in the closet.

We still have a chance to have the biggest "coming out' party ever if we decide to take our rightful positions back, but that chance will be here shortly and then GONE if we don't make the change needed. I happen to know that the tent I have been encouraging folks to enter has LOTS of room, but time is running out.
 
Adela........I basically agree........You wrote an excellent post. Here's some of my take:

What is a Democracy?

The dictionary definition of democracy is: "1a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority 1b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

Th word democracy literally means a government by or of the people. The distinct characteristic is the rule of majority. Which means that an individual, or minority group, has no protection against the unlimited power of the majority. Stated differently: individual, and minority, rights and freedoms are not protected in a democracy.

Democracy can be destructive to liberty and freedom because laws are created by the current feelings and sentiments of the majority.

What is a Republic?

The dictionary definition of republic is: "1a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president 1b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law."

Here's a bit of evidence of our republic foundation: 1) every state has two senators, regardless of how many people are in the state, and 2) a jury cannot convict a person unless all of the members agree to the defendant's guilt – a unanimous decision. If the US were a democratic nation, then each state would have a certain number of senators based on its population, and it would only take 7 members of a jury to make a conviction. Another indicator of our republic is the Electoral College.

The word republic literally means everybody's thing or interest—not the majority. In essence, a republic is the rule of law, or of common law, which is certain and unchangeable. The rule of law, created by God, is what was is considered as right or wrong—also described as common sense. We know in our heart what is right and wrong—things like murder and theft—we don't need those things explained to us. We all agree that the right to speak (freedom of speech) should still be a right 10,000 years from now. Sadly, however, we may be losing that right .

The Difference

Democracy: the rules and decisions are defined by the majority, which are subject to change over time, based on the majority's current feelings and sentiments.

Republic: the rules are defined by the rule of law—common sense—and can be applied to everyone without abridging anyone's rights, and do not change over time.

The key point here, in my opinion, is that in a democracy the 'feelings' of a majority can be manipulated to create policy. In a Republic, each person has natural, God-given rights. The natural rights of the minority are protected by the Bill of Rights from majority 'mob rule'.

Conclusion:

Our founding fathers obviously knew the inherent evils of a democracy: It limits the rights and freedoms of the individual. The fact is, our terminology somehow changed and I can't quite figure how that came about, (it obviously occurred very gradually.), but we can still operate under a republic if people become aware that we are a republic—not a democracy.

I personally believe that there is much legislation in place today that limits individual freedom and sovereignty, that goes against what our founding fathers had intended and, more importantly, goes against the constitution and the republic for which we stand.

Now, how can we get a Republic back?
 
Conclusion:
Our founding fathers obviously knew the inherent evils of a democracy: It limits the rights and freedoms of the individual. The fact is, our terminology somehow changed and I can't quite figure how that came about, (it obviously occurred very gradually.), but we can still operate under a republic if people become aware that we are a republic—not a democracy.

I personally believe that there is much legislation in place today that limits individual freedom and sovereignty, that goes against what our founding fathers had intended and, more importantly, goes against the constitution and the republic for which we stand.

Now, how can we get a Republic back?

That is why they had both Dem & Rep.... check and balances....to give no side unlimited ruling. I honestly believe... both are not in play any more....but some thing else has taken over. What I think... I do not want to post here.

How do we get our country back?.... I honestly don't think it is possible at this stage. To many people have been too complacent for too long....and most still are. Sadly I do not see that changing any time soon.

One of the biggest things we need to do is ...

Get rid of all the big business that have taken over the Gov....only way I see things changing... for a start.

Then people need to wake up and do something about what is going on.
 
Great posts, Adela and Maryann. I have often wondered how many people understand the distinction between the two and realize we are supposed to be a republic. Shari, the original parties were actually the Republicans (which were more like modern day Democrats) and the Federalists (which were more like modern day Republicans). I have always been taught that checks and balances refers to the fact that we have three branches in our government not the party system. After all, the constitution didn't originally contain anything about parties, did it? It did, however, provide for the executive, the legislative, and the judicial branches in our government. I think to really get our republic back, we need to have enough people who have a genuine concern for what happens with government. Remember that thread not long ago about all the people who don't have a clue about who's who and such and yet are still voting? As long as there are a bunch of people like that, I am afraid we will be sunk.
 
When the country was first started and all the governing bodies were set up, when they had an election there was a candidate from both parties. The one that got the most electorial votes was President and the "loser" became the VP. That was part of the checks and balances system.
 
Jayne,

I know......it is part of my families history. What we have now,,,is nothing like it was back when.
 

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