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I know I am asking a lot of Q's these days BUT this is the place to ask to get a good cross section of views/ideas!

I would love to see pics or get an idea of your experience with the breed.

I grew up with GS's living next door, I LOVED them, awesome dogs.

They were the big, heavier boned type. Protective of their home and very regal! They were NEVER silly, like our goldens
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But I see some that are highly strung and seem hyper and very vocal.

What are the big differences in the American vs German lines? or I should say are there any?

I loved the dogs I remember from childhood but have seen some that I wouldn't like at all, they seem too wound up.

I like the calm, cool, collect type that just demands respect simply lying there
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Although I have owned many breeds of dogs throughout my life, border collies, labs, mutts, german shepherd crosses, the pure bred GSD has always been my dog of choice.

GDS are NOT for everyone. A GSD will take over your life and run YOU, if not properly trained from the get go. Boundries must be set for everything and everyone immediatly or you will be in for a lot of unwanted behaviors. Once training has been established, you end up with the most wonderful, loyal, friend and companion you can possibly want. GSD do train easily, and very quickly as long as the trainer knows exactly what he/she is doing. There is no margin for error, or a GSD will take serious advantage.

I don't believe a GSD is too hyper. Hyper would not be the word I would choose exactly. That is just in the training, or non-training. But a GSD does want a job, something to do besides laying around. For us, it was search and rescue with a little bit of tracking and a whole lot of ball throwing. To ask a GSD to lay around and do nothing, is not in their makeup. They are a using dog. They thrive on having a job, no matter what job it is.

They long to be used for anything you would like them to.

As for vocal, yes, I'd say they love to "talk" by way of "moaning" they seem to just be carrying on a conversation like that. It's very comical and I spent many days talking to TRacey and she would answer me back via her moaning sounds. It's communication. Bark, of course. Howl, or sing, sure! If I sing or play the piano, I would soon have a duet going.

A GSD is sensitive and compassionate to your feelings. Just ask me. When I cried, Tracey would automatically comfort me by laying as much as her body as she could across me. One day, I was crying uncontrollably, and she went into Michael's room and brough me his blanket. How did she know? Because she was a GSD totally and completely devoted and in tune to ME.

A GSD will protect you and lay down their life for you. Tracey and my other GSD's would never get aggressive towards anyone without a very good reason, such as anyone suspicious approaching the property or my body. A GSD will get inbetween you and them, probably issues a warning by snarling, until instructed by you, that "it's ok"

There is much difference between the European and American breds. If you do a search on American VS Germans, you will find that these breeders for the most part, hate eachother, and stand by their die-hard particular bloodlines. It's all a matter of perference. It is said that European breds are much better suited for schutzhund work (attack, protection, gaming) than the American because they are more "on the alert" and tougher and braver. They are said to have great protection drive.

Another difference is the size and conformation. A European bred is smaller, more compact in length, and shorter, and may be less angular and have larger bones. They can be more "coarse" in looks.

Americian breds have been bred "for beauty" mostly, dog shows. They are overall bigger, taller, longer, and can be more angulated in the hindquarters. However, the angle in the hindquarters itself is not a predisposition for problems such as hip-dysplasia and relating back problems. An American bred as well as it's European counterpart, both can have those problems if they are not bred for proper conformation, in which the hipball will fit properly in the socket. The angle itself is not the problem. It is said that American breds are not as aggressive for shutzhund type work and are more suited to being a personal companion. Police, the Army, usually will select a german bred for war or work because some of them are bred not to feel as much pain as their American counterparts.

This all being said, some breeders will combine a European with an American on occasion. Politics.

I don't necessarily agree with everything that I have stated. Those are just the basics that have been established. It's personal preference in which kind of German Shepherd appeals to you. I have found that the American German Shepherd is every bit trainable for shutzhund activites as the European counterpart. Tracey was my first American bred and although she had great "ball drive" she was incredible with tracking and her search and rescue training.

Both American and European lines have very much to offer.

In short, a German Shepherd dog properly bred and trained will be hopelessly devoted to you.

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Marty great description. I did not realize how big a "talkers" they were until we got ours.............he was a pound death row inmate
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OK here is what you could end up with if you got a goofy one like ours :bgrin

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Great pictures!

Marty, that was a wonderful, descriptive, informative insight into GSD's!

I think I prefer the sound of the American bred, per your description.

I would love to adopt one from a rescue but know they don't adopt out to people with young children.

I have had a mental love affair with GSD's since I was about 5 :eek:

Our neighbour bred them and my Mother hated them!

I loved them, they were stand offish but regal!

So LOYAL!!

I must say I also loved that they were intimidating!

I used to have to walk to school and we had to go past another school to get to ours. I used to get picked on and bullied a bit by the kids at the otehr school to and from my school.

I used to think if I had one of my neighbours dogs with me NO ONE would steal my stuff :lol: :lol:

I had a delightful Springer Spaniel as a kid who was painfully loyal but was terribly fearful of people. She was like glue to me until these kids would surround me and then she would hightail it home
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Silly kid stuff but I still dream of having one one day!

One more Q Marty, is a male or female better?
 
Male or female is just a personal preference.

For some reason, I always seem to gravitate to females in most animals.

Jerry and the boys favor male dogs, male cats, and stud horses. Go figure. It must be a man thing.

However, some day I would like two German Shepherds, male and female both.

If you want to learn more about GSD American VS European, do a search and look at the pictures. With study, you can see the difference in conformation and appearance easily after a while.

Another dead give away is in the name. Most European dogs reflect that in their name, using a lot of German names VON this and VON that for instance, whereas American dogs will usually have American sounding names.
 
You definately have to train these dogs. They are not a dog you get, play with a little and then leave in the yard. They will do all kinds of things to make you miserable if they think they aren't getting the attention they deserve
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Our girlie likes to work, ALL THE TIME. She believes it's her job to make sure NO ONE plays ball around here. If we start, she immediately goes and gets the ball and makes it disappear. Our poor pound puppy, Lilly, who by the way LIVES for her ball, is very sad about this. We have to usually lock up Sophie when we play fetch.

I also have to lock up Sophie when I work with the horses as she believes that it is impossible for me to do ANYTHING without her help. And she is a full body helper. She is right in there, nipping, barking, trying to jump on them.

Can you tell that she is my husbands dog??
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But she is sure a great mama! And the male we bred her to is so sweet and much mellower than she. Which is why I picked him!!

Sophie watching Lilly chase her ball. That's how we got her to look so alert
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Here is one of the puppies loving on her new person, Tim. Look at those smiles!
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The GSDs here are HOPELESS I would not touch one that was not bred for or by the Forces with a barge pole.

The temperament id shot to h*ll and they are SO unsound it is not true.

All reputable breeders of course hip test all their stock but this is no guarantee your pup will not be Hip Shot, none at all.

The temperments on the ones I have had in for training is useless- either hyper or nasty there seems to be nothing in between.

If you pick your breeder carefully, look at some adult pups form the breeder and look carefully at BOTH parents and the way the pups are raised then you have the best chance with any breed.

I am not just slamming GSDs here- I believe ALL pedigree ie registered KC- dogs are equally as unsound.

It seems once a breed achieves KC status it starts to go down the drain- my own breed of Dobes has deteriorated so much in 25 years that would not entertain getting another puppy.

Do your homework, make sure you have plenty of time and good strong HIGH fences- my dogs van easily get over six foot- BUT because it is the perimeter fence they do not jump it- that was just routine and training.

All dogs with a high "prey drive" like GSDs, Dobes, Rotts etc do need a lot of initial training and, most importantly, socialisation, with other dogs and with people.

A good "Guard" dog is one that can discriminate between a friend and a potential enemy- and to do this they need to meet a good cross section of humanity!!!

The GSDs I have trained would either run a mile if someone said "boo" or bite you because you exist!!

Sorry, I am not an admirer of the breed, BUT there are good and bad dogs in every breed.

If you find a good dog it does not matter what breed it is.

Do not overlook the possibility that the dog for you might be full grown and in a rescue- that is how I got Sam2- he was 5 years old when he came to me last year and he fitted right in to my loopy house- I am so glad I did not get a puppy.
 
We adopted a 12 week old male GSD puppy from our shelter last weekend. They happened to be at the PetSmart and my daughter wanted to go take a look at the puppies. The lady at the shelter said that the breeder had dropped him off just the day before because he has a floppy ear that won't ever stand up and she wouldn't be able to sell him.
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Thanks for all the info/input!

Lucky you lvponies, he sounds great!

I am really leaning towards a GSD Mix. I would love to adopt a young dog/older pup.

I saw some lovely ones on petfinder
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Not sure if they would adopt to me though? Often when they hear you have kids, young kids, they won't adopt to you.

I saw a lovely gsd/hound mix......wonder what that mix would be like?

Oh my there are TONS of Gsd's looking for homes on petfinder! even one called Fiona!!

My fav is one called Ciara in Georgia!
 
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Interesting topic as we have been considering getting a shepherd in the future. We visited a local breeder last week to discuss the breed and temprament and suitability with small kids. She happened to have a litter of 13 week old pups. I fell in love with the last male she had,which was going to be a long-haired german shepherd. He was very laid back and a big love especially compared to his sisters. He let me handle him all over and roll on his back. It was hard to not bring him home, we weren't really puppy shopping just doing breed research. I hope someone special takes him home, I was sooo smitten.
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Marty, have you seen differences in personality based on coat length?

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Marty did a very good job describing the GSD. I have 5 myself, and they are all wonderful dogs. My dogs are all American lines with the exception of Gretel who is 1/2 Czech bred. Of all the dogs, she is my problem child and is an escape artist - she will climb the 8 ft wind fence in their main yard to chase a bunny - or just because she can. As Marty said, she is shorter and heavier boned than the other dogs, too. Still, she has excellent temperament as that is a priority right up there with hips that are xrayed before being bred for me. The length of their coat has no bearing on the type of temperament no more than the color does.

SOCIALIZATION and TRAINING is the key to having a great German Shepherd.

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No, the length of coat has nothing to do with temperment as already stated

Kim, it is very common for a GSD to have a flop ear. That breeder hardly knew her GSD's to dump one off at a shelter because of it. All you do is to take a pink sponge rubber hair roller, stand it UP in the ear, wrap the ear around in masking tape. After about a week or so of this, that ear will stand right up at attention easily. They will bang their ear around because of course they don't want anything in their ear like that. There are other ways to do this, but this is the way I found that is easy and doesn't hurt. Some people use popsicle sticks and super glue but I think that is over the top and can be dangerous, so I don't do that. Do use the curler, and get that ear UP or your pup will grow up a little goofy looking. Do it now while he's really young.
 
I would love to adopt a young dog/older pup.

I saw some lovely ones on petfinder
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Not sure if they would adopt to me though? Often when they hear you have kids, young kids, they won't adopt to you.
Some rescues will not adopt to people with young kids, but MANY will - most of the ones I've been involved with over the years WILL - but it does throw up a cautionary flag for us. If a person can convince me that they've got good sense, that they will teach their kids to respect the animal, that they won't give up on the dog within a couple of days because it knocked a child over in play or something along those lines, and that they do indeed have time for a pet on top of parenting duties, then I'm sold - so PLEASE don't dismiss the idea of rescue.

Your posts have always struck me as you being a kind and caring person - I think many rescues would love to have you as an adopter! We've got some basset/GSD mix pups here in Iowa if you're interested
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Hey, I also wanted to note (and I'll be the first to admit that I've got far less GSD experience than most that responded, my grandparents had a WONDERFUL one, a good friend had a WONDERFUL one, and I had a wonderful GSD mix growing up - but other than that I don't know a ton of people personally with) but I did want to say that I used to work at a vet office, and we had a LOT of shy and sort of weird GSD's come in - and I will admit those always made me a bit nervous, and dogs rarely make me nervous. These would come in and slink behind their owners, and just something about them wasn't quite right - so don't get one of those
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With the coat length and temperament thing I have to disagree- it would depend entirely on whether the dog was the result of two normal coated parents- in which case it would make no difference as stated, or bred specifically for coat length as often happens.

If the latter unless you can find an EXCELLENT breeder, a really dedicated, GSD first money and coat second breeder, then Yes, temperament can go straight out of the window.

I have also noticed that a lot of short X short = long males, specifically, are very laid back- I do not know if this is because they have had more attention, which often happens with one long coat in a "normal" litter, or is purely coincidence.

They also seem to be much bigger- which obviously has something to do with the coat length, thus getting a lot of respect right form the start and thus nothing to prove- this often makes a very confident, and thus laid back, dog.

I have also noticed that the GSDs bred for colour seem to lose the temperament very quickly but then I have come across a lot of badly temperamented GSDs!!!
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interesting thoughts on this. Apparently all 3 males from the litter were long coat and this guy was going to be a big boy. One of the other males I was told had a personality like a Lab and the other was a talker.I watched him play with the sisters, he was a bumble. Sweet, dignified, kind eyes. It was interesting to watch the different personalities within the litter. Some of them were tough, some sweet, a quiet girl and the lovey boy.

That was the first litter of shepherds I had played with. I love hearing about everyones experience.

A reason I asked about the color/ coat length was with our chocolate lab, when she was younger, was a silly nut, (she still can be at 14)and it seemed like a lot of the chocolate labs we met had an extra dose of the sillies, more so than the yellows and black labs. maybe just coincidence but I wondered if it was a thought with shepherds.

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We have always had German Shepherds but have always been careful to buy from a reputable breeder whose dogs have been known for their excellent dispositions.

Again like someone has said they are not a dog for just anyone - we found the book "The Monks of New Skete" an excellent book to help with training our shepherds.

They are so gentle yet so protective. I know that my shepherds would give their life for me. I can not ever imagine not having one, right now we have 3 and I am "thinking" about another pup this summer.

Here is Keisha, she is going on 13 years old - she is my constant companion and the love of my life!!

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These are the 3 German Shepherds that we have right now -

Tristan, Keisha and Khyzer. Tristan (she actually belongs to our son and doesn't even acknowledge me unless he isn't around) and Keisha are females and Khyzer is our male - I do prefer the females but the devotion from all 3 is unreal.

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