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I have NO health insurance threw where I work......arh! But I have independent insurance which is almost $140/mo I had some health problems this summer with my thyroid and had 2 scans, a ultra sound & biopsy..... and I'm "just" getting those bills back...... OUCH......... Those are in the thousands!! So needless to say the insurance I have not doesn't cover much!
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I just got it after about 6 months of not having any....phew! I must say I feel so relieved to have it.

It is $885 a month for the family, health, dental and vision BUT it is not full coverage. Doesn't cover 100% of everything only unexpected expenses not routine care, except dental.

Hubby is self employed and this is the best we can do for now.

Full coverage would be $1600 ++

Honestly, I am happy to just have it. I am not going to dwell on the cost because in the good ole US of A you need it
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In Ireland, little tiny Ireland there is statewide free health insurance. Hard to figure how they can afford it but not here. That said the care here is excellent. You may wait all day and even all night to be seen in the emergency room in Dubln. But it is free
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Shari, Lee & I also have military retired insurance ( Tri Care Standard ) & we don't have the problems that you do. We get good care & have access to lots of doctors in the Louisville area. Lee's eye surgeries last year totaled around $40,000 & I think we paid out of pocket about $2900............. We are within 30 minutes to a VA hospital which Lee uses but we are in the process of looking for a family doctor because I am concerned that Lee may not be getting the quality of care that he should there.................................................. I feel for those people that don't have insurance but the thinking that the government should provide this to everyone - how can we afford that - higher taxes??? Seems some people want the government to provide for them when it comes to paying for something but when the government wants to institute a program to assign tracking numbers to our animals they get in an uproar ( not saying I am for this - just using it as an example).
 
Well... I know there are plenty who don't have health insurance who "can't afford it" because they don't try to budget it in. How would one go about separating benefits between those who "can't afford it" because they'd rather have six kids, their hair and nails done, a big fancy home and new car vs. those who can't afford it because they truly can't?
A lot of people are like us. If I got insurance for my DS and I... would cost $1,200.00 a month. With hubby's pay check,, no way we could afford it.

We do not go out to eat that often, have one child, I have never gotten my nails done and hubby cuts my hair.

We have the Usual mortgage (Cheaper than rent), all the house and car insurance we need to protect ourselves, proptery tax which is extremely high here, basic food, nothing fancy.

Have a whopping big payment to pay off in 15 years.. from my car accident over 7 years ago now. Medical wasn't covered and I have to pay for it. But even if that is gone...is a 1/4 of what we would have to pay for health insurance.

Hubby drives an 2000 Toyota Echo.. over 250,000 miles on it.. been paid off for years..excellent gas mileage for even how old it is. To save on wear and tear during the summer he rides his cheap motorcycle to work.

Only thing new is my Van... we could not find one set up to allow me to ride in a car, used.. after last years riding accident. But again.. the payments are only a 1/4 of what the month health insurance would be.

Horses have been paid off for years..do not cost me any thing to feed at this point..just the usual worming and hoof trims.

Badly need a new and safer mini shed and hen house, but we do not have those yet. Same with better fencing to keep them more safe from the predator problem.

I find most people that do not have good insurance.. like our miltary medical or no insurance ..just like us.

There is no way to budget the monthly insurance costs in. Short of living in section 8 housing or in a cardboard box under a freeway.

Yes.. I will grant you ..there are free loaders in the system.... but that is for another thread.

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Cathy.. the miltary insurance.. depends on where in the country you live.. which state, which county, which town and so on. You can check through them... there is only 1 premiry care Doc within the time fo drive I have posted before that will take our insurance in this area. When you are not able to drive 1 1/2 hours one way to find another Doc.. you only have the one choice.

I have lived all over the US. Some places are better than others... in this area... is a Black hole.

Even If I spent the 2 hours to get up to the Airforce base... they will not see Retiree's dependents because of this War...they Farm us out and the results are not good. Lucky if you can get an appointment in 6 months time. I know personally... Been there done that.

You are very lucky.
 
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There seems to be such a stigma attached to the words "socialized" in the U.S., speaking of medicine. Can I ask you to explain, those of you who are so against "universal" medical care, why? Do you feel it's better that the insurance companies are the ones that make the decision whether your claim is accepted or not?
I feel that the ability to earn an outstanding living attracts a higher caliber of person to the profession of doctor, which is an unbelievably tough field. I want my doctors to be paid and paid very well. I know that most major medical advancements came from countries where there are huge financial gains at stake. If there were not a lot of money to be made, we would not have the important, life saving / changing medications we do no and we know this because they're not coming out of countries where there is socialized medicine.

Really, if others want real clarity on why I feel the way I do, instead of watching Michael Moore's "Sicko", watch the YouTube link to 20/20's John Stossel's special "Sick in America" (link). That hit all the major points in my opinion. It was less than flattering of the Canadian system and while the US's situation is not without room for real improvement, I really wouldn't trade.

I can't say I'm infavor of socialized ANYTHING for the USA. I am in favor of free enterprise and I have just felt really blessed with my health insurance and I am happy to have it. It's not cheap, but how can I complain about how expensive health insurance is when I am indulging is a hobby as frivolous as horses?
 
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Jill has pointed out one of the most ridiculous pitfalls of the Canadian healthcare system and something that is a recent revision and a HUGE step backwards, IMO. Our doctors here are salary capped!! To me that is completely absurd and it has done nothing but add to the already huge problem we have with long wait times for tests and surgeries and people who don't have family dr.'s. We have seen a huge exodus of physicians leaving for other countries such as the US and why shouldn't they?? As Jill pointed out and I tend to agree, making an outstanding living tends to attract a higher caliber of person to the profession. In addition to the loss of doctors it has also caused some specialists to cut back to part time in order to not meet their salary cap too early in the year thus exacerbating the long wait problems.

I certainly do have to laugh when people refer to our healthcare as "free" LOL It is there for everyone and it comes at a cost to everyone....and certainly not without pitfalls....

Now if only we could find the perfect system for all of us!!!
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I didnt read any of the responses....But, to answer your question....

Nope, my employer doesnt offer health insurance and I can't afford it. Still trying to pay off my medical bills from breaking my arm last August...
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Feel sorry for you Americans. Seen "Sicko"? We Canadians don't have/need health insurance. Hope that never changes
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Sorry...Saw Danielle's post and totally agree!
 
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There seems to be such a stigma attached to the words "socialized" in the U.S., speaking of medicine. Can I ask you to explain, those of you who are so against "universal" medical care, why? Do you feel it's better that the insurance companies are the ones that make the decision whether your claim is accepted or not?
I feel that the ability to earn an outstanding living attracts a higher caliber of person to the profession of doctor, which is an unbelievably tough field. I want my doctors to be paid and paid very well. I know that most major medical advancements came from countries where there are huge financial gains at stake. If there were not a lot of money to be made, we would not have the important, life saving / changing medications we do no and we know this because they're not coming out of countries where there is socialized medicine.

Really, if others want real clarity on why I feel the way I do, instead of watching Michael Moore's "Sicko", watch the YouTube link to 20/20's John Stossel's special "Sick in America" (link). That hit all the major points in my opinion. It was less than flattering of the Canadian system and while the US's situation is not without room for real improvement, I really wouldn't trade.

I can't say I'm infavor of socialized ANYTHING for the USA. I am in favor of free enterprise and I have just felt really blessed with my health insurance and I am happy to have it. It's not cheap, but how can I complain about how expensive health insurance is when I am indulging is a hobby as frivolous as horses?
Jill, if you believe everything that is in that 20/20 report, than you are like those that believe that Michael Moore's rendition is factural and accurate when neither are, not the 20/20 and not Michael Moore. Both are slanted in different directions, the truth lies in the middle. There are medical discoveries and important techniques that have been discovered, perfected in ALL countries. To say that the U.S. has the monopoly and is the only one is not true. The important part is that these discoveries and techniques are shared in the medical communities around the world so that everyone in each country can get the care required for diseases, heart surgeries, etc. etc. Because a doctor is better paid doesn't make for the doctor to be better at what he does. What about the doctor's that are with "physicans without borders" are you saying that they are less capable and less knowledgeable than any doctor in the U.S.? I think the system in the U.S. works very well for those that can afford the medical insurance but for those that can't afford The $800 or $1200 or whatever the amount is a month and have to forgo either meds or taking kids to the doctor for needed intervention, to me that just doesn't make sense. It seems that those that are not poor enough but not rich enough, are the ones that suffer. Are the lower middle class not the backbone of the working American public or are their more well off, or rich individuals (millionaires) that those that fall in the middle income level. When I watch the 20/20 link you gave us I cried when I heard that woman with breast cancer. I can only imagine how terrified she is. I know the mentality is different it seems in the U.S. on this than here but for such a caring nation that you live in, helping other countries, etc. would it not be better to perhaps put some of the money being given to other nations and being used to help make affordable insurance premiums if you all want to stay with the system you have? That way nobody would have to do without some kind of coverage in dire emergencies when they are potentitally life threatening.
 
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Allow me a 'woe is me' moment...

No insurance here. When I started my new job it was available to me at the cost of $900 a month-more than I make per month at the new job. I know there is independent insurance out there, but I really cannot afford it right now. When I get a second job I'm hoping their insurance will be more reasonable or I can afford it elsewhere.

I have a list of about seven pre-existing conditions which make my insurance pretty pricey. Thankfully, I don't THINK any of it is going to kill me, but it makes life pretty hard sometimes. I should be on a few different medicines for pain management and such, but when each medicine costs $60-$100 a month, you try and make do with Advil. A lot of it.

Because of those conditions I should be seeing a few different doctors regularly, too. I'm lucky that my regular doctor only charges me $45 for an office visit, and usually sends me home with some 'samples' so I have some medicine to work with, but I don't go in unless something is very wrong (last time, I couldn't eat).

Personally, I am all for national health care. I don't care if it's 'socialized'. So many people suffer or even die from preventable or needless causes because they can't afford medical care and it's awful, but I know how they feel. I'd sooner try and suffer through a major illness than rack up thousands of dollars in hospital bills that I have no way to pay off.
 
What a blood boiling topic! My husband has health insurance paid for 100% by his company. It's only medical, not dental or vision. I am on his insurance, but we pay $89 a week for it. We have a deductible of $1,500.00 per person per year before the benefits actually kick in, so it doesn't start covering anything until that is met. My husband tore a muscle in his leg and has had x-rays and will need 2 $581.00 MRI's in the next week. So, if we can come up with the $$, our deductible will be met on him right away. I went from age 18 to age 26 without medical insurance and WITH major medical problems. I have numerous medical conditions that racked up about $58,000.00 in medical bills in that time period. Trying to find my first insurance at age 26 that would cover "pre existing medical conditions" was crazy hard! As long as dh can stay at this job, I think we will be okay until I get my knee replacements.
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I also have Medical Insurance THANK GOODNESS!

I have it through my Employer who pays 80% for his Employees (very small company). Mine costs me (Single Plan) aprox. 35.00 per week with a $500.00 deductable per year. It is a pretty good plan although it does not cover Dental or Vision (also wanted to add that I have NO PRESCRIPTION PLAN EITHER!)and I am not able to afford to put my Hubby on it, but hopefully next year I hope! Family Plan cost ALOT MORE even for ony two person household more than TRIPLE
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because it is considered a "family plan" .

I am just so thankful I had it when I was diagnosed with Breast Cancer 2 years ago! I had to have Mommograms,Biopsies, MRI's, Bone Scan, have Radioactive stuff injected into me to see if the Cancer had spread to my Lyphnodes,Surgery, Chemotherapy & Radiation Treatments and on top of all that all the tests, bloodpanels(WEEKLY or every 3rd day) and ended up being hopitalized quite a few times because of Chemo reactions and another time was for a Blood Clot in my arm caused from an IV that had slipped out during one of my Hospital stays previously. At last count our medical bills that we saw where over 300,000
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and were climbing at that time which was a LONG time ago! So, I can't imagine what the total is now after two and a half years!
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Even now I still have to go regularly to the Oncologist, Bloodwork & Mommograms, Bone Scans & MRI's.

I do not even qualify for Short Term or Long Term Disability Plan my employer has now! They wont touch me with a 10 foot pole now that was diagnosed with Cancer!
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Well not for 10 YEARS anyway!
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I just pray that my Employer makes it through these TOUGH times! Sicne I work in a factory making wood cabinet doors for Modular and Mobile homes for different companies we have been REALLY REALLY SLOW and our layoffs started way back in late September which is UNUSUAL for us! I have been there 6 years!!!
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If I loose my Job because of the "economy" I am screwed because of the "pre existing clause" which means I would have no choice but to keep the plan I have now and "carry" it on my own and finding another job would not be that easy to find making what I make now which isnt alot but its better than minimum wage. we make just above what it takes to qualify for our "State Plan" so that is out of the question.
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Please excuse the typos I was in a hurry!
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Well anyway, great topic!

Jeri
 
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Danielle --

Right or wrong, I do firmly hold 20/20's report in higher regard than anything I've seen or heard from Michael Moore. I've not seen Sicko and will not (why would I?). Like I said, he is a propagandist.

Also, if you think many major medical advancements come out of countries where there's not significant financial gains to be made as a result, that just boggles my mind.

Another thing, and I know this will not be popular, but it amazes me that people who have something as expensive and non-necessary as horses would then say they are not able to afford health insurance (sorry, but it's how I feel). To my mind, that's like driving an Escalade and not being able to afford the gas.

Another thing about socialized health care is think of the higher taxes, think of the lack of choices, think of more government oversight... Not my idea of a solution.

Jill
 
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Jill-I know for myself, I'm lucky. I co-own both my horses, but my parents (the other owners) provide the financial end, I provide the labor and know-how. I also partially run our little family farm and again provide labor in exchange for rent and food.

If I didn't have this arrangement, I couldn't afford said roof and food.

Regardless, I think it's sad that the cost of insurance is so prohibitive that anyone should have to go without it.
 
I hope everyone will do some research on socialized medicine before making serious decisions. Check out Socialism and decide if that is what you want and what you think your kids and grankids would want. You might think "free" medical sevices would be nice for everyone but it could be one step closer to even worse problems.

Socialized Medicine in Canada's Healthcare System

Thi9s is just one outlook on it.

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Socialized Medicine in Canada's Healthcare System

Canada’s healthcare system has been the envy of many western industrialized countries for years. England’s Prime Minister Winston Churchill inspired it in 1948 when he said:

“The discoveries of healing science must be the inheritance of all […] Disease must be attacked whether it occurs in the poorest or the richest man or woman, simply on the ground that it is the enemy […] Our policy is to create a national health service in order to secure that everybody in the country, irrespective of means, age, sex, or occupation, shall have equal opportunities to benefit from the best and most up-to-date medical and allied services available” (Wollstein 23).

Completed in 1970, this socialized health plan provides free public healthcare. Every Canadian receives free doctors’ visits, free hospital care, free surgery, and free medicine while in the hospital. So well known and regarded, Canada’s healthcare system has long been looked to as a shining example of what socialized medicine could be and even won an international award for excellence in 1993.

Even though Canada’s Healthcare plan has had such a positive history it is now plagued with problems. Some of these problems include lack of doctors, lack of beds and supplies, and very long waiting periods for medical attention. Because of these problems arising in Canada’s healthcare there has been quite a debate going on in Canada over socialized medicine. Many people argue that these problems are due to the fallacies of socialized medicine claiming,

“Socialized medicine, like all other forms of socialism, is a world-wide failure. As people throughout the world from the Soviet Union to South America are learning, socialism cannot work. Socialized medicine results in skyrocketing demand for nominally “free” health care, doctors being over-burdened, medical services steadily deteriorating, and endless waiting periods for health services”(Wollstein 24).

Others, who are for socialized medicine in Canada feel the problem is not with the system but with the people themselves. They argue that people are exploiting the system and, “not taking enough responsibility for themselves”(Pierson 26). In any case both sides agree that the main cause of these problems is lack of money, but instead of arguing how they intend to secure more money for healthcare, they argue whether socialized medicine is good or not. This question of good and bad is a philosophical issue best discussed over time. Instead both of these sides should be joining together to fight for funds. Funds that their government owes them.

In 1970 at the dawn of Canada’s healthcare the federal government promised to provide 50% of all healthcare costs in Canada. The other 50% was supposed to be provided by local provinces. Since then the government has yet to pay 50% of healthcare costs and, to add insult to injury, has steadily decreased the amount of funding they once promised. From 1970 to 1983 the Canadian government paid only 37% of all health care costs leaving the local provinces to pay the other 63%. At this rate local provinces could fit the bill but in 1984, when the Canadian government amended the National Health Care Act, they cut their funding of health care costs down to a mere 29%. Then in 1990 after another budget cut the Canadian government paid only 25%. Since then there has been so many cuts in healthcare funding that ever since 1990 the Canadian government, with a population of 21 million, has spent less on healthcare than Washington D.C. who has a population of only 4 million (Frampton).

With ever increasing demand and cost for healthcare, local provinces, which now must pay over 75% of all healthcare services for their citizens, are forced to make cuts. Since service is one major cost for medical care many local provinces choose to cap doctors’ salaries. These caps range from each province but the average ceiling for doctors is 150,000(CD) for general practitioners and 175,000(CD) for specialists. These caps, besides making most doctors unhappy, has had some negative effects. The first and most noticeable effect is Canadian doctors leaving Canada for the United States. Dr. Warren Molberg, an emergency ward physician at Edmonton’s Royal Alexandra Hospital, says he and his colleagues regularly receive letters from United States healthcare companies. These companies apparently promise them guaranteed salaries that are much higher than what they receive in Canada and “the benefits, incentives and tax rates are also very attractive, as is the chance to work in sophisticated healthcare facilities equipped with the latest medical technologies”(Sillars 59). These packages are appealing to doctors whose work places are deteriorating and many are willing to go says Dr. Eldon Smith, dean of the University of Calgary medical school, “A lot of people are unhappy and a lot are talking about [moving to the U.S.]” Many people do not find this a problem and feel that there are too many doctors in Canada already but Dr. Smith believes that there is a risk of losing highly specialized physicians and teachers and says, “if we lose those, that’s a very serious issue.”

The second negative effect of these salary caps has to do with physicians’ distribution. Because of the cap on doctors’ salaries most doctors are choosing to work in major cities. In fact, over 85% off all doctors in Canada practice in the city. This has left a serious shortage of doctors in rural areas. The reason for this is rural doctors have much more work to do then city doctors do.

In the countryside there are at most two doctors for an entire area. These doctors must see everyone and are usually on call 24 hours a day. This was not a problem for most rural doctors because due to the increase in work they had a direct increase in pay. In fact, until the salary caps, most rural doctors were averaging 10% higher incomes than city doctors were. After the salary caps these rural doctors still had the same amount of work but could no longer make higher incomes. In the city physicians now made just as much money and with much less work. This created doctor shortages in rural areas and has had some very negative effects such as this story taken out of a local newspaper:

“Dennis Goodswimmer was driving eastward on highway 34 as fast as he dared to the Valleyview General Hospital. Beside him in the van’s passenger seat lay his son Joey, unconscious and bleeding after being hit by a car. Fortunately the hospital was no more than a 10 minute trip. But as the desperate dad neared town, paramedics in an ambulance intercepted him. Their news was grim indeed: due to an unexpected shortage of doctors, the Valleyview hospital was closed for the weekend Aug 21-22.

The hospital rebuilt just two years ago, cost $15 million. Virtually on its doorstep, Joey and his father waited for an air ambulance. The boy was flown from Valleyview to Grand Prairie and then to Edmonton, delaying his medical care for nearly an hour. The next morning, doctors at the University of Alberta Hospital declared the lad dead of head injuries”(C.S. 11).

Joey had the misfortune of living in a rural area. The hospital was closed due to one doctor being on vacation and the other doctor resting from exhaustion. Valleyview General hospital had tried to find a replacement physician but could not. With these caps rural areas cannot find enough doctors and because of this these people are not receiving medical services. This is definitely tragic especially when we look to poor little Joey as an example.

Doctors are not the only ones affected by the Canadian government’s budget cuts. The patients themselves are suffering. Due to lack of money for services and lack of doctors, patients are placed on long waiting lists. These waiting lists are so severe that women, on average, wait 6 months just for a pap smear and depending on the seriousness of your case you can be seen as early as 3.5 weeks for chemotherapy or up to 33 weeks for orthopedic surgery. Either way both of these waits are exceedingly long. In fact, a 1993 study found that Canadian cancer patients were waiting an average of three times longer than patients in the Untied States for treatment and one third longer than what their doctors thought was clinically reasonable. Even the wait that Canadian doctors deemed clinically reasonable was 33% to 50% longer than what United States doctors thought reasonable (Walker 45). Here is a list of average, actual wait periods in weeks versus clinically reasonable waits:

Apparently the Canadian government feels that an extreme waiting list will not kill you. This is not so when headlines like “Lack of beds and long lines killed my hubby, wife claims” appear in their newspapers. But even if the wait does not kill you, data published by Statistics Canada indicate that 45% of all patients waiting for healthcare say they are in pain. Some of these waits can be up to 6 months and according to Mr. Walker of the Fraser Institute, “The physical and psychological pain can be devastating.”

These lists have become so bad that many Canadians are now crossing the border into the United States to receive medical treatment. This phenomenon of border crossing became prevalent in 1987 and has grown larger year by year. In fact by 1994 over 30% of Canadians have crossed the United States border for medical treatment of one type or another. Border hopping to avoid lines has now become a common practice for anyone who can afford to pay for medical services in American hospitals. Unless the Canadian government owns up to its responsibilities this problem is going to continue to grow. In fact people on waiting lists grow each year by 20%.

This is completely unacceptable and unfair to Canadian citizens and this is also why they have had so many debates in this last decade discussing their healthcare. Unfortunately they have looked past the real cause of the problem and instead argued over whether socialized medicine can work or not. Both sides agree there is not enough money for their hospitals but fail to see the true reason why. One side argues that government controlled healthcare becomes too expensive and claims, “The monopoly of basic health insurance has led to a single, homogenous public system of healthcare delivery. In such a public monopoly, bureaucratic uniformity and lack of entrepreneurship add to the costs. The system is slow to adjust to changing demands and new technologies. It is no longer efficient and costs more money”(Lemieux 36).

Because of this reason they believe that socialized medicine should be discarded. But this will never happen in a country where 86% of the citizens still want free healthcare and this argument does not hold true in a country that pays much less for healthcare than the United States does. The other side has even less of an argument. They believe that people themselves are ruining the system. They feel that people abuse the system and expect too many services. But how can someone abuse that which is free?

Both sides recognize the shortages, the long wait periods, and the gaping lack of funds but they do not attribute this to the real culprit, the Canadian government. The Canadian government promised to pay a certain amount of the bill and with increased costs they are now trying to back out. They even passed laws making it impossible to receive private healthcare, which now forces everyone to wait in line for medical care. With their decreasing support Canada’s local provinces cannot bare the burden and healthcare, inevitably, is going down the tubes. Those who would argue whether socialized medicine is good or not should instead focus on making their government own up to its responsibilities.
 
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Okay, I rarely comment on these topics, but in case anyone is reading the "article" posted above, as a Canadian, I can assure you that it is completely inaccurate and absolutely ridiculous!
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I realize this will be unappreciated by most reading this thread but I just found this quote this morning by Dennis Miller, and it (of course) reminded me of this thread:

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"Michael Moore simultaneously represents everything I detest in a human being and everything I feel obligated to defend in an American. Quite simply, it is that stupid moron's right to be that utterly, completely wrong."
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I agree Kim
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but if this is what they want to believe, so be it. I had a good laugh when I read about a pap smear taking 6 months to be administered
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. Wonder where the writer of this article got his supposed "facts"
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. Too funny.

For those of you who dislike Michael Moores over the top reporting you might enjoy

http://www.moorewatch.com/

I find it interesting that the two individuals that have that site slam him all the time and some of the discussions and arguments are, well lets say
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. One is no better than the other but I have to admit they all make you think, Michael Moore and the other two gentleman. It's interesting that the bashing they do towards Michael Moore after Michael paid for one of the guys spouse's medical bill since they couldnt afford it and yet they continue to bad mouth him with extreme foul language many times and anyone who doesn't agree with them. Personally I always like to read both sides of the story, so to speak, and then come to my own opinions. I find Michael Moore much more of a class act than many even though he exagerates just like the rest of them. This is a very interesting topic and some good opinions on both sides of the issue
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Danielle --

Right or wrong, I do firmly hold 20/20's report in higher regard than anything I've seen or heard from Michael Moore. I've not seen Sicko and will not (why would I?). Like I said, he is a propagandist.

Also, if you think many major medical advancements come out of countries where there's not significant financial gains to be made as a result, that just boggles my mind.

Another thing, and I know this will not be popular, but it amazes me that people who have something as expensive and non-necessary as horses would then say they are not able to afford health insurance (sorry, but it's how I feel). To my mind, that's like driving an Escalade and not being able to afford the gas.

Another thing about socialized health care is think of the higher taxes, think of the lack of choices, think of more government oversight... Not my idea of a solution.

Jill
Some people already had the horses when they lost their medical. Then found out how hard it was to get medical coverage again without spending a fortune. Should they get rid of everything they love?
 
There are a whole lot of opinions on the matter of socialized medicine and the article was only one. I do konw that Canadians come ito Montana for health services and there is good reasons for it. Truly, if you are happy with what you have, that is great for you but there are others who feel differently. We often have comments in our newspaper editorials about whether the US should have socialized medicine and we hear FROM Canadians who tell us to beware. I for one believe America has been strong because we have been a country of free enterprise and I do hope it can stay that way. Many of us believe that the less government in our lives the better off we are. We have enjoyed the independence of not only taking care of ourselves but also those who truly need help. I see our country weakening because more and more people feel the government should be taking care of them. I fully understand that medical services are horribly high and something needs to be done. But is it right to cap doctors fees while we want to have the choice to make as much as we can? Have you talked to a number of doctors there in Canada and understand what they feel about the situation? Don't just laugh at someone elses opinion when they are sincere and seeing something you haven't seen yet. There is nothing wrong with people like myself wanting to remain as free as possible from government intervention. I do appreciate all comments towards this subject and hope we can come up with some solutions and not just put the other person down. mARY

Okay, I rarely comment on these topics, but in case anyone is reading the "article" posted above, as a Canadian, I can assure you that it is completely inaccurate and absolutely ridiculous!
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