Flipping Over! Please Help!

[Georgia]

I will not even look at a horse with Impressive bloodlines. I don't want a flipper or to deal with HYPP. There are too many other nice horses out there.

 

[Mock2Farms]

I've owned several Impressive horses, know breeders that use the line (of the NN variety), and have boarded several.. Never had one that flipped though!

 

[CharlesFamily]

I wouldn't necessarily make generalizations about a complete bloodline based on your experience with 3. HYPP - yes, that is a documented problem that could easily be remedied with responsible breeding. But there are too many idiots out there who are more concerned with making a buck than being responsible (sorry, sore subject for me there). I have known several Impressive bred horses. One I owned and he was an awesome horse! I traded barn work with a trainer when I was a teenager and he taught me how to train him - he walked me through it step by step so that my horse and I both learned. That horse never even once bucked, reared or shied during his training or after in all the years I owned him. I also currently have an Impressive bred horse in my barn (N/N) who has been with me since he was started under saddle and is currently working on finishing him out (almost a year under saddle) and he's never bucked, reared or flipped.

Now you do have to be careful if you are working with an HYPP horse - the flipping could well be a symptom of the disease. I would never get on the back of a horse who was even a carrier. An asymptomatic N/H horse can become symptomatic in a heartbeat and you never know when that could happen.

(Sorry to hijack this thread - to the original question I am too old and chicken to even think about dealing with a horse that rears, much less flips! But if I did, I would be doing A LOT of circles and figure eights on the long lines both directions before I even thought about getting on again!)

Barbara

 

[Jean_B]

Sadly, I had the opposite experience. A "reknowned" equine dentist was here - and was full of disdain for a lot of what I told him about specific horses. I have known them for years - he had just met them. They each had files that the vet dental specialist had kept on them and I did know what I was talking about but he thught that was very amusing. One mare I specifically told him always needed work as she was a packer amd developed nasty hooks very quickly - he barely lifted her lip and said she was fine. I was not impressed. I knew she was NOT fine. That mare had to go to the vet dental specialist after that - to fix the usual sharp edges and hooks. As did two others. So much for the super "equine dentist" everyone raved about. Never again.

There are 'clinkers' in every profession. The dentist I have used prepared (Ok - I functioned as 'secretary') comprehensive records every visit so that he would remember what to deal with the next time he worked on a horse. Sorry you had a bad experience...and sounds like you DO have one of the RARE veterinarians that has received adequate training.

 

[Horse-back-always]

Her bloodlines are completely unknown, a friend gave her to me when she was a foal. We have no idea what her pedigree is. I am honestly 100% gesing when I even say she is a quarter pony, she looks like a miniature quarter horse, but she has feathering on her legs so she may have draft in her. She is also roaned and spotted so she could be a POA, i highly doubt she is full blooded... But at the same time, i do not know anything about her parents.

 

[Horse-back-always]

I had her Wolf Teeth pulled today. The dentist actually said that they were farther forward than usual and that could very easily have been the problem. I really hope that it turns out to be something that easy. The dentist told me to wait two weeks before putting a bit in her mouth again (giving her time to heal completely), then to start her on the ground with driving so that she will learn that the bit will no longer hurt her. If you would like to stay updated with her training, look in my blog and I will post regularly. Thank you very much!

 

[rabbitsfizz]

I very rarely actually trained any youngster with a bit in their mouths or a saddle on their backs- that all came later when they were used to being ridden, so that may be a problem all in itself.

I had a PB Arab mare who did exactly what yours is doing, and it got old very quickly- I tried a standing martingale and she had a fit, just freaked when she could not get her head up, so that just made it all worse. Since I was putting her in foal I did so and put her out with the mares and left her. One day she was just too far down the filed for stubborn little me so I tied the rope round, got on her and rode her back.

She was word perfect. She neck reined she stopped she did a rocking horse canter. PERFECT

So, that was when I abandoned all bits on babies!

That little mare went on to be a fantastic riding horse, but she was never happy with a bit, not even a nylon one, but was fine in all conditions with just a drop noseband with reins on it- no draw rein, nothing. I jumped, cross countried, dressage, everything, in a noseband!

I could actually take the bridle off this mare and ride her without it, and did when I was showing off, but of course this is only safe on a seasoned, trained, animal.

She took a bit in the end, because I felt she should, but I never did ride her in one.

Something to think about, perhaps.

Sometimes, the less gadgets the better.

 

[Candi]

She's three. She's young, not trained, and neither are you. Besides her teeth, it could be your hands and any number of other things you are both doing wrong. Get her to a trainer and riding lessons for you from the best professional you can find and I do not mean a good buddy or a cowboy: a real professional at a reputable training stable. Do not try to fix this on your own. Please stay off this horse until you do. This is not "getting dangerous" it already is beyond dangerous. Best wishes for future success. Good luck.

DITTO! There is a REASON that people hire professionals.

 

[Candi]

May I ask this horse's breeding? If this horse has Impressive in it bloodlines the problem may be inherited. The impressive line are known flippers. Not all do this, but alot of them do and they pass it on. I personally have know 3. One was a broodmare that every foal she had did this. When they halter broke them we could tell who the mother was just by watching, 3 steps and flip. Hope this is just a tooth problem as rearing and flipping are very dangerous.

Coming from a longtime training and show barn - that has seen more than 100 Impressive-bred horses I completely disagree.

There are 'many' issues I've heard attributed to these lines, but this is a 1st .

I would hasten to recommend STOP MAKING GENERALITIES. It's thinking like that - that hurts breeds, programs, etc...

 

[Candi]

I've owned several Impressive horses, know breeders that use the line (of the NN variety), and have boarded several.. Never had one that flipped though!

Good for you!

People are SO ignorant over Impressive-bred horses. There is NOTHING to pass on if they're N/N. Mandatory test with AQHA, APHA, ApHC - so there's no excuse not to know. If they're N/N - they're no different than any other horse (just prettier) - and can't pass something on they don't have.

 

[Candi]

I wouldn't necessarily make generalizations about a complete bloodline based on your experience with 3. HYPP - yes, that is a documented problem that could easily be remedied with responsible breeding. But there are too many idiots out there who are more concerned with making a buck than being responsible (sorry, sore subject for me there). I have known several Impressive bred horses. One I owned and he was an awesome horse! I traded barn work with a trainer when I was a teenager and he taught me how to train him - he walked me through it step by step so that my horse and I both learned. That horse never even once bucked, reared or shied during his training or after in all the years I owned him. I also currently have an Impressive bred horse in my barn (N/N) who has been with me since he was started under saddle and is currently working on finishing him out (almost a year under saddle) and he's never bucked, reared or flipped.

Now you do have to be careful if you are working with an HYPP horse - the flipping could well be a symptom of the disease. I would never get on the back of a horse who was even a carrier. An asymptomatic N/H horse can become symptomatic in a heartbeat and you never know when that could happen.

(Sorry to hijack this thread - to the original question I am too old and chicken to even think about dealing with a horse that rears, much less flips! But if I did, I would be doing A LOT of circles and figure eights on the long lines both directions before I even thought about getting on again!)

Barbara

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