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well not an opinion..but the WRONG opinion..
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/17/fe...edia-turns-joe/
 

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I do not see "Joe" as having been a threat to any campaign and there is nothing wrong with pointing out that he does not even own a small business. He clearly said when he originally asked the question he does not own a business. The McCain campaign took his question and ran with it without checking if he truly was the "one" to use.

No one said he had a wrong opinion. McCain and or his campaign chose to use him over and over and over again which is what brought on everyone taking a closer look at him. Had anyone listened to his original statement to Obama they would have known he was surely not a good example of a small business owner to bring to the table simply due to the fact he is not currently one and has no immediate plans on purchasing his own or starting his own plumbing company vs being a employee.

I personally think they should have used a more appropriate person *as in relevant *when trying to make such a major point. I realize they feel it is a strong point in their campaign a bit more background info and listening could have helped further their point JMO
 
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Lesson learned - - Keep your mouth shut when the media is around otherwise you will be cruicified!

What matters here is what Obama told Joe he was going to do "Take his hard earned money and spread it around"

Pay heed to some of the comments from that story.

It's about a socialist stealing from one person who earned something and giving it to someone who didn't earn it. It's legalized theft plain and simple. It's also about the fact that anyone who is successful will be penalized by the government. Those who do remain in business will certainly pass these taxes on to the consumer effectively increasing taxes for those that can afford it the least.

The problem is; you can't tax poor people because they don't have any money, and you can't "stick it to the rich" because they'll find a way to beat the system, so who gets stuck with the bill? The average Joe.

This gives us a clue as to what sort of CHANGE we can expect under a new socialist administration.

Every American has the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness; we have a right to the fruits of our labor. We have a right to keep the property we have worked hard to earn. This is what our Country, Constitution, and Bill of Rights are built on. This is the foundation of our freedom.
Obama wants to raise your taxes and to spread the wealth around............ McCain asked Obama, "Why do we have to raise ANYONES taxes right now"? McCain is probably still waiting for the answer!

Read this again & let it sink in.

The problem is; you can't tax poor people because they don't have any money, and you can't "stick it to the rich" because they'll find a way to beat the system, so who gets stuck with the bill? The average Joe.
I would venture to say that the average Joe is most of us here on this forum!
 
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Well..if you smart it shows you what the future holds..I heard of 2 Obama supporters taking another hard Look at the man..good for them!
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Lesson learned - - Keep your mouth shut when the media is around otherwise you will be cruicified!

What matters here is what Obama told Joe he was going to do "Take his hard earned money and spread it around"

Pay heed to some of the comments from that story.

It's about a socialist stealing from one person who earned something and giving it to someone who didn't earn it. It's legalized theft plain and simple. It's also about the fact that anyone who is successful will be penalized by the government. Those who do remain in business will certainly pass these taxes on to the consumer effectively increasing taxes for those that can afford it the least.

The problem is; you can't tax poor people because they don't have any money, and you can't "stick it to the rich" because they'll find a way to beat the system, so who gets stuck with the bill? The average Joe.

This gives us a clue as to what sort of CHANGE we can expect under a new socialist administration.

Every American has the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness; we have a right to the fruits of our labor. We have a right to keep the property we have worked hard to earn. This is what our Country, Constitution, and Bill of Rights are built on. This is the foundation of our freedom.
Obama wants to raise your taxes and to spread the wealth around............ McCain asked Obama, "Why do we have to raise ANYONES taxes right now"? McCain is probably still waiting for the answer!

Read this again & let it sink in.

The problem is; you can't tax poor people because they don't have any money, and you can't "stick it to the rich" because they'll find a way to beat the system, so who gets stuck with the bill? The average Joe.
I would venture to say that the average Joe is most of us here on this forum!
Sounds good in theory Cathy..I think I couldn't keep my mouth shut..
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how do you feel about baking? Prob will need a cake with a file in it in the future!
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Well..if you smart it shows you what the future holds..I heard of 2 Obama supporters taking another hard Look at the man..good for them!
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Thanks I like to consider myself rather smart. I know what I would like my future to hold and realize it is fundamentally different then your vision for the future.
 

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I would venture to say that the average Joe is most of us here on this forum!
I wish I was but I don't make $250,000. I need to buy more lottery tickets, lol.
 

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What is bad here is no one , here, has posted what Obama actually said. They are posting what McCain said, was said, and even HE got it wrong. Including what Obama has been saying, and saying and saying again about smal business. Oh ah the media and other fact type sources are saying. IOW, McCain GOT IT WRONG, over and over and over.
 

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I would venture to say that the average Joe is most of us here on this forum!
I wish I was but I don't make $250,000. I need to buy more lottery tickets, lol.

Please do not make fun of the people here that DO make 250,000 a year. We do and it is not right that some one from canada ,not from the USA would post that.
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I would venture to say that the average Joe is most of us here on this forum!
I wish I was but I don't make $250,000. I need to buy more lottery tickets, lol.

Please do not make fun of the people here that DO make 250,000 a year. We do and it is not right that some one from canada ,not from the USA would post that.
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Wow that was a pretty far stretch!

Making fun of???

If nothing else these threads have shown me how so many people *self included* have a tendency see and hear what we want to not what is really being said.
 

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Posting what??????? There is something wrong with saying that we would all like to be raking in 250,000 a year..

Shame on all of us.
 

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I am gonna tell you One thing..if Obama will be elected..many, many people will NOT make 250 000

Not because they can't..But because they will NOT..why work hard and give it away??
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I am sorry you got that impression Bingo..I voted for Obama in EVERY POLL..
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I am sorry but we work some times 7 days a week, 12 hours in the day to have what we have and to have the goverment take it away to share the wealth does not sit well with us. Let them work like we work instead of sitting on there behinds waiting for our wealth. let them seek there american dream not take mine.
 

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I would venture to say that the average Joe is most of us here on this forum!
I wish I was but I don't make $250,000. I need to buy more lottery tickets, lol.

Please do not make fun of the people here that DO make 250,000 a year. We do and it is not right that some one from canada ,not from the USA would post that.
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Is there a language barrier between what I say and what you are reading????
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. or are you just bating people??? Since the "Joe" that asked Obama some questions, the same "Joe" the plumber that McCain refers to I think I recall that "Joe" was concerned about "buying a plumbing business" and how he couldn't afford to do so because of taxes being raised by Obama. I am pretty sure Obama said his plan is to raise taxes on people who make more that $250,000. The comment that the average "Joe" will be taxed, as many of you have stated means that you refer to the average Joe in this forum must make $250,000 a year. I was commenting that I wasn't part of that since I didn't make $250,000 and I doubt that the average forum member (single salary, not combined with spouse) makes $250,000 per year. I wasn't making fun or laughing at anyone that makes $250k or more but did think the statement made was pretty far fetched. So shoot me for having an opinion Seems I don't have a right in this forum anymore because I am not American. I must go read the rules again that govern this forum where it says non-Americans are not allowed to post opinions or only their opinion on certain threads. I must of missed that when I joined the forum many many years ago.
 
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Well we are talking about Joe the plumber..and if you have hired a plumber lately you might just know what they charge..IF Joe the plumber would have just One BIG contract a year..you don't think he would make 250 000? especially if he had a few empoyees..

Lincoln quote..

Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Reply to New York Workingmen's Democratic Republican Association" (March 21, 1864), pp. 259-260.
 

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QUOTE I would venture to say that the average Joe is most of us here on this forum!

I wish I was but I don't make $250,000. I need to buy more lottery tickets, lol.

FOLKS, FOLKS, open your eyes & clean out your ears - Canadian or otherwise.

Joe the plumber DOES NOT MAKE $250,000.......
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................... I heard $90,000 from one source of which out of that he pays $20,000 in federal taxes plus other taxes.......... I also read here on the forum that it was $40,000................... Irregardless IT IS NOT $250,000. . Get that out of your mind!

And put this in your mind, " I venture to say that most of us here on this forum fall in that category! It's your dollars Obama is coming after!

as many of you have stated means that you refer to the average Joe in this forum must make $250,000 a year
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Not here - I did assume that most of us had already heard that THE Joe the Pumber was not making $250,000 & the original Joe is who I am referencing - in present time - not down the road.
 
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Well we are talking about Joe the plumber..and if you have hired a plumber lately you might just know what they charge..IF Joe the plumber would have just One BIG contract a year..you don't think he would make 250 000? especially if he had a few empoyees..Lincoln quote..

Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Reply to New York Workingmen's Democratic Republican Association" (March 21, 1864), pp. 259-260.

My husband owns his own business, he is an Electrical Contractor (registgered electrician - Emond Electric and Sons) so I know what the trades make. I do my husband's accounting in my free time, this is apart from my full time job. My husband has employees as well. Once you pay employees, pay all your materials and everything else you can deduct before paying tax on your net income, you would have to be making or the company would have to be making a heck of alot more that $250,000 to be affected by a tax hike. I understand that the "Joe" we are talking about, the plumber does not have a license as a plumber therefore he would not be part of the union . Here in Canada the unions pretty much tell you what electricians/plumbers should charge. Oh you can charge alot more but if you do that and put your price so high, you won't get much work. The wage right now for a unionize electrician is $78.00 an hour, an apprentice is considerably less, somewhere I believe around $25/hour. I believe that a plumber here in Canada makes approximately the same, perhaps a bit lower but not much. If I am not mistaken the hourly rate is lower in the U.S. I will check with Mike. So I am sorry I don't buy the fact that a plumber would be taxed on $250,000. Are you taxed on the gross amount you make? I was under the impression that you have quite a few deductions and then you get taxed on the amount once all the available tax deductions have been calculated on your income? or are you tax on the money you make before any deductions have been applied?

Anyway, we are getting away from the subject. As I said my comment above was about the statement made that the average person in this forum makes $250,000 per year in salary (single person salary). My opinion still stands that I don't think that is an accurate statement but it's only an opinion because perhaps I am wrong.

Here is a statement made today regarding plumbers (U.S.) and approximately what they make. So this specific "Joe" the plumber would not fall into the category of having his taxes raised. He would however have his taxes raised if he bought a company who after deductions (salaries to employees, payment of tools, materials, etc everything that can be deducted) gave him a personal salary of $250K than yes his taxes would go up.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...z8&refer=us
 
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I believe there is a BIG misunderstanding..Joe did Not say he makes 250 000..he asked Obama that IF he would open his own business how Obamas tax policy wuld affect him..
 

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