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[Just Us N Texas]

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Subject: [naisfromtheshorsesmouth] NAIS Non-Compliance Hearing in WI

http://www.wicfa.org/Amish_Farmer_Emanuel_...g_9_23_2009.pdf

WISCONSIN INDEPENDENT CONSUMER AND FARMERS ASSOCIATION

22 September, 2009

Amish Farmer Emanuel Miller, Jr.'s, NAIS Non-Compliance Hearing

Wednesday, September 23, 2009

WHAT: NAIS Non-Compliance Hearing

WHEN: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 8:30 a.m.

WHERE: Clark County Courthouse, 4th floor (517 Court St. Neillsville, WI 54456)

Emmanuel Miller, Jr., of Wisconsin, the first American to be tried for NAIS non-compliance, faces an "Evidentiary hearing regarding the failure to comply with livestock premises registration" on September 23. Wisconsin requires NAIS premises registration and many farmers have refused to comply. Pat Monchilovich, another Wisconsin farmer, goes to trial in October.

Miller's hearing is of enormous importance. The outcome will have bearing on NAIS in the entire country. Please support Mr. Miller's courageous stand by attending the trial if you can. To express yourself to the prosecutor's office, see contact info below. We will post updates following the hearing.

Prosecuting District Attorney: Darwin Zwieg Phone: 715.743.5167 Email:

[email protected]

Assistant to the D.A.Cheryl Daniels Phone: 608.224.5026 Email:

[email protected]

Cheryl Daniels is also a sitting administrative judge for the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture Trade and Consumer Production. The state of Wisconsin doesn't choose to see a conflict there.

Further Information:

Paul Griepentrog Phone: 715.762.1875 Email: [email protected]

Paul Griepentrog, Wisconsin farmer and Vice-President of Wisconsin Independent Consumers and Farmers Association (www.WICFA.org), has filed an amicus brief on Miller's behalf and will accompany him at the hearing.

Yours for freedom,

Deborah Stockton, Executive Director

National Independent Consumers and Farmers Association (NICFA)

[email protected]

www.NICFA.org

National Independent Consumers and Farmers Association

Our purpose is to promote and preserve unregulated direct farmer-to-consumer trade

that fosters availability of locally grown or home-produced food products..

NICFA opposes any government funded or managed National Animal Identification System

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[muffntuf]

I am surprised that more equine owners are not fighting this, but maybe I am not seeing it, people are complacent now? I don't know. To have to do paperwork to tell the government everytime I take a pony of my place and go somewhere just screams to me that we are being over run by the government.

I am pretty strongly agains NAIS for equine.

 

[Shari]

Most people don't have to deal with it right now, so it is "Out of site, out of mind". But boy... folks are going to be in for a bit of a shock when NAIS does come their way.

 

[wildoak]

Texas has not made compliance mandatory....yet. I'll be watching this one with great interest, and hoping NAIS doesn't stand up in court.

Jan

 

[ImagineThat]

OK a bit out of the loop here... what is NAIS?

 

[~Dan]

Ditto!!!

OK a bit out of the loop here... what is NAIS?

 

[Aristocratic Minis]

Many people I talk to at horse shows have never heard of NAIS. That is worrisome because it is another way in which the government is wanting to take away our rights as owners of animals. It is being promoted by PETA and other animal rights activists.

While supporters say NAIS will protect us from Mad Cow Disease and from possible bio-terrorism by tracking all livestock and farm animals, it would be a monumental bureaucratic nightmare of paperwork which would affect everyone who owns or breeds horses or farm animals. Horses and all farm animals must be tracked everywhere they go, including horse shows or taking them anywhere away from your property.

This is the government website concerning NAIS. http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/

Here are some anti NAIS websites which explain why most people do not want the government to regulate every single move every animal makes:

http://securitysolutions.com/enduser/gover...t_against_nais/

http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/state...k-against-nais/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2189346/posts

It is time we all wake up and smell the coffee and see what activists and politicians are doing to try to control our lives and take away some of our freedom to go where we want to go with our horses.

 

[mel]

NAIS is the National Animal Identification System. In a nutshell (cause I could go on about this for a loooong time) it is a way to "track" agricultural animals (swine, horses, cattle, sheep etc.) in case of contagion. A microchip or electronic ear tag is placed on/in the animal. Anytime that an animal leaves your premises you must fill out a form and send it to the governing office for your area. This way a database is established to track the movement of livestock. Now they have not made it mandatory (yet) and alot of agriculture entities are fighting this.

EDIT: Sorry posted at the same time as Aristocratic Miniatures, Ditto on her info!

 

[~Dan]

Ohhh, I don't show OK whew. Here I am thinking its some big new legal thing that's gonna force me to sell my minis (a lot of those fears

)

 

[muffntuf]

Actually whether you show or not, your home if it has any livestock and that includes equine, you will be required to register your premise and you will be forced to 'tag' your animals at your expense, which will be costly.

AND - even if you don't show, if you take your livestock, including animals of your premise, you will have to file that information within 24 hours with your local governing office.

Failure to meet these conditions means you will have a visit and your livestock could be compromised.

So you need to pay attention. There are several states that NAIS is mandatory. Wisconsin is one of the first to start hauling people to court.

IT is time to wake up and start saying your peace of mind about your liberty and freedom.

 

[Aristocratic Minis]

[SIZE=8pt]Besides being affected by the large cost of NAIS, each person owning any farm animals would be required to do a huge amount of paperwork. This came from the website: http://reliableanswers.com/patriot/2006/01...id-run-amok.asp[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt][/SIZE]Life Under the Animal ID System

"Along about March of 2005 my brother and his wife moved to town and gave us 3 hens as pets for the kids. He had to file 2 sets of paperwork, one to notify the government of where the hens were and one to notify them that their premises was no longer keeping animals as they were moving to town. Total forms - 4

I, within 24 hours, had to file 2 sets of paperwork, one to obtain a premises identification number, giving name, social security number, address, and GPS number with the state and feds. I had to file 3 forms for the hens. Total forms - 4

Then my husband said, if you have to be here to feed 3 hens, why not get a few more. So we went in with the neighbors and ordered 100 chickens. They then had to file 1 form setting up a premises and 50 forms for owning the chicks + 50 forms since they would be 'off premises' boarding at my house. We had to file 50 forms reporting our 50 new chicks. Total forms - 151

Four of the chicks died in the first week, I had to file 3 incident reports, my neighbor had to file 1. Total forms - 4

In May, it was Mandy's 8th birthday and all she wanted for her birthday was a pretty little kid named Snowflake, so we went a little flakey and got Snowflake and a nanny named Carmen, needed to file 2 forms. Carmen didn't work out, though she was a beautiful goat she was terrified of children and one day tried to run away taking Snowflake with her and I had to file 2 incident reports. So she went to live with a neighbor and we traded for a new nanny named Paige. Both the neighbor and I had to file 2 reports each, one for the goat going, one for the goat coming. Paige is a sweetheart. I only had to lift her into the stanchion 3 times before she decided to do it all by herself.

My neighbor asked if we could let our goats come over to help with weed control, they did that for about 2 weeks. (14 incident reports X2 goats). We were getting almost a gallon of milk a day before we dried her off to go 'visiting' (both the neighbor and I had to fill out incident reports - 4). She did get out of the yard 3 times (3 incident reports X 2) and enjoyed going for walks with us once a week all summer (12 incident reports X 2) We are now hoping for triplets in the spring. The goats came home in November, requiring another 4 reports. Total forms - 74

Then one day I got a call in town, the neighbor's dogs had gotten into my chickens. I came home to find dead chickens all over my property and scattered down the road. We were devastated and filled the incident reports. 8 for the dead chickens and 4 for the ones that left the property. Total forms - 12

My dog thought what they had done looked like fun, so began killing chickens too. So far she has killed 8. Resulting in 8 reports for dead chickens and 2 for the two she tried to hide in the woods as they left the premises. Total forms - 10

On Labor day weekend, the neighbors came over and we killed 57 chickens. Dividing the paper work, we still had to file 57 forms between us. Total forms - 57

One of my chickens liked my neighbor. Every day she would make a beeline for his barnyard (he gives trail r ides, forms went in for each time the horses left and returned). I had to file 1 report for her leaving and one for coming every day. Oh we tried to keep her home, but she was a little escape artist! 90 forms X 2 = 180 for that one chicken. Total forms - 180

I had 3 chickens die for no apparent reason or from injury from other chickens, or one punctured himself on a wire. Total forms - 3

This year we have filed 499 reports, tagged all animals, purchased the equipment and software to do this and it hasn't even been 12 months since we started. All we wanted to do was have a few animals to teach the kids a little about responsibility and grow some of our own food."

Imagine getting THAT for a Christmas letter?

Life under NAIS is for the birds!

 

[Just Us N Texas]

I think more and more people should be informed about NAIS. That is why I post the forwarded letters on the board, so more people will be aware of what is going on! If this gets passed, there will be fewer and fewer animals owned by the small person. Large commercial owners will not have to comply with NAIS, so therefore, government owned and controlled animals. Go to www.farfa.org. to find out more. Did any of you realize that if there is any outbreak of disease of any kind, even though your animals are ok, the government will have a right to come in and destroy your animals? That is whether you show, keep them for pets, or trail ride, etc. We have enough heartbreak as owners of animals when one becomes sick, dies or any other thing that tugs at our hearts. Could you realize what it would be like to lose a whole herd? Emotionally, and financially it would be disastrous! So whatever capacity and interest you have in animals, you will be affected!

 

[Bunnylady]

I think more and more people should be informed about NAIS. That is why I post the forwarded letters on the board, so more people will be aware of what is going on! If this gets passed, there will be fewer and fewer animals owned by the small person. Large commercial owners will not have to comply with NAIS, so therefore, government owned and controlled animals. Go to www.farfa.org. to find out more. Did any of you realize that if there is any outbreak of disease of any kind, even though your animals are ok, the government will have a right to come in and destroy your animals? That is whether you show, keep them for pets, or trail ride, etc. We have enough heartbreak as owners of animals when one becomes sick, dies or any other thing that tugs at our hearts. Could you realize what it would be like to lose a whole herd? Emotionally, and financially it would be disastrous! So whatever capacity and interest you have in animals, you will be affected!

Actually, I think the gov't already has this right. Depending on the disease, they may either quarantine or create a "dead zone" around the area where the outbreak occurred. There have been a couple of outbreaks of a very contagious hemorrhagic disease among rabbits, that were only stopped by a combination of quarantine and good luck. Under the current system, if you surrender your animals, you may get financial compensation for the animals taken (which may or may not be equal to the animals' actual value.) If you don't, and you are quarantined, the animals may not leave your premises. You have to decide whether it is worth your while to have animals that you can't take off the place for any reason. If your animals are infected, and they die while under quarantine, you get zip. The biggest difference that I see between what we have now and NAIS, is the registration and paperwork requirements. As it stands now, they can take the animals or at least restrict their use/movement, but they have to find 'em first! While I can see why a system like NAIS could be useful, it would be a death knell for small breeders like me.

First, I would have to register my premises, and list all the kinds of animals I have. I would have to mark and register every animal I have, which means either I would have to buy the equipment for microchipping or pay a vet to do it. If I added or sold any animals, I would have get all the relevant information from the buyer/seller, and file the required paperwork. If any of my animals left the place for any reason (going to the fair, a show, a school visit, photo shoot, Easter egg hunt, vet visit, whatever) I would have to report it. Every baby bunny born here would have to be marked, and its life history reported as long as I continued to own it. If I sold said bunny, I would have to collect and report the information on the buyer. If Joe Familyman and his wife and kids bought a couple of bunnies from me, they would be required to register their premises. If the rabbits they bought grew up and had babies of their own, Joe and co. would have to do the microchip-and-file bit, or they would be in violation of the law. If every person I sold a pet bunny to had to register the fact that they own a rabbit with the government, just how many pet bunnies do you suppose I would be able to sell?

 

[ImagineThat]

WOW

This is veryyyy scary...

 

[~Dan]

Oh, thats stupid. So if and when it comes to NY, I will need to tag the horses, what does that mean, like ear tags, micro chips, registration forms to be logged into gov. computers??? I still dont get it to clearly.

 

[muffntuf]

It is already in NY and all states, but NY is not mandatory yet. And yes you will have to micro chip your horse at your expense and if I remember correctly you will/might have to have a reader, which I think the cheaper ones are $400-500. And I believe the Vetrinarians are trying to make it mandatory that only vets can put id tags into the animals. I could be worng on that.

The court in WI is in recess at the moment. The Amish have made a stand on religious and civil liberties. The judge asked for briefs written by both sides, giving them 2 months to prepare them. So this is not over yet.

And yes the gov't right now can come onto your place and take a herd down, but this is a whole level higher. They don't even have to tell you what your neighbor's herd has if they have anything - they can just step onto your property and destroy your heard.

It's a no win situation for the small animal owner.

NAIS hearings have been held all over the US this summer as there has been so much protesting done, but not enough has been done. NAIS lost a good portion of its funding because they had deadlines they haven't met. But they are more determined to make sure the program goes off without anymore hitches. The WI court case is to set up a precedence.

Here's someone's recap of the trial:

Send them this link: http://www.wicfa. org/emanuel_ miller_jr_ trial_sept_ 23_2009.htm

 

[vickie gee]

Actually whether you show or not, your home if it has any livestock and that includes equine, you will be required to register your premise and you will be forced to 'tag' your animals at your expense, which will be costly.
AND - even if you don't show, if you take your livestock, including animals of your premise, you will have to file that information within 24 hours with your local governing office.

Failure to meet these conditions means you will have a visit and your livestock could be compromised.

So you need to pay attention. There are several states that NAIS is mandatory. Wisconsin is one of the first to start hauling people to court.

IT is time to wake up and start saying your peace of mind about your liberty and freedom.

Amen and thank you! The people that used to say "I don't care much for politics...it really does not affect me" are starting to eat their words because they are being forced to stop living under a rock. Freedom is not free. This sounds like the census bureau for animals. When those census people show up on my doorstep asking questions I already know the first question is "how many people live here?" My answer will be simply "2, NOW LEAVE." Any subsequent questions will be answered with "Nunya" and exhibiting my 2nd amendment right.

Not that I would harm anyone, but I would sure make my point. And if the NOSY ANIMAL INQUIRING SOCIALISTS folks show up I will gladly open the gate and tell them to go introduce themselves to my anatolian shepherds aka livestock guardian dogs.

No doubt my guys would take a "bite" out of their enthusiasm.

 

[Jackie]

Does anyone know which states are "mandatory"? Thanks! Didn't get a chance to research it. Getting prepared for winter!

Jackie

 

[~Dan]

Ill need to ask my vet about it when she comes out for fall vaciniations. T^hanks for the info.

 

[loveminis]

I found this on the internet, scroll down the page for info.

Mandatory NAIS