*sigh* I lost my first post. I believe that these boys have multiple things going on with them. Poor Diet (Notice big bellies and weak/thin necks. I would suggest having a fecal exam done by your vet and talk to them about a worming program) Poor Conformation (Sickle hocks, possible cow hocks on the bay, butt high on the bay, over at the knee, etc.) Poor Hoof Care (No hoof, no horse. Right?) On the topic of Bow again, I do not right out believe that she herself is a dwarf. I do however recognize her as having dwarf characteristics. Cow hocks Monkey Mouth (Severe underbite.....) Nostrils on top of face) Short, squat, wide face. Butt high Domed head (and not the pretty kind....) Small ears (I stand by this as a trait.) Short neck Long back That's nine conformational faults just off of the top of my head. Now, just because I feel bad for dissing her I feel the need to say some good things about her. Lol FANTASTIC mother! Easy breeder (Obviously....) SUPER foaler! (Not a single dystocia and births from water breaking - foal completely out is less than two minutes) Good manners Good mover (Shocker!) Super willing DID in fact produce some nice foals Good jumper Really good at setting up and ground tieing Would be a heck of a showmanship horse Yes, I worked hard to get ten good things about her. You can I care about the old gal (Gosh, she's only ten!) Needless to say that I will forever be cautious to sell her. She is everything a BYB would want. Color producer, fantastic foaler, and horrible conformation! Perfect for making lots of babies! I know of a stallion that is her HALF-brother and is DROOL worthy. His bottom side is Boones through and through. LOVE him. Does he look like Bow? Polar, freaking opposites. If anybody is interested I can PM them the link because it is mind blowing. I wish I owned him....or could even pet him.