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#1 Carriage

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:07 AM

Something else MUCH more important was going on.

While you were kept busy with the Chick-Fil-A charade a much more dire event was taking place (well several actually) that has far more immediate importance in you life, just as I intimated.

Ann, has been sending warnings for many months now to alert people about what is about to happen.
After the MF Global theft and how it was treated she shuttered her investment business as she could no longer, in good conscience, advise her clients to "invest" as all the investment ground was revealed to be quick sand. Now you can ignore this or even make up lies about Ann, BUT also understand that she has been PRECISELY correct in everything she has said to date. I do like that she doesn't pull punches or sugarcoat things. This is actually a pretty tame piece for her.



RED ALERT: It's Open Season on All Customer Funds
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 10, AD 2012 3:33 PM MSTmailbox:///C%7C/Documents%20and%20Settings/Robert/Application%20Data/Thunderbird/Profiles/eh6gvwso.default/Mail/mail.iinet.com/Inbox?number=3276113462&part=1.1.2&filename=siren.gif

The NFA is collusion with the Banksters, government and judiciary have achieved their goal. The entire concept of "customer segregated funds" is officially, completely, legally dead.
Guys, it is OVER. I know that many of you are still cowering in normalcy bias, unable to deal with reality, unable to face the world as it is, but you have GOT to snap out of it. The marketplace is DESTROYED. You CANNOT be in these markets. All legal protections are now officially gone.
Do you remember how I told you about the Ponzi scheme that imploded in 2007 called "Sentinel Management Group" that stole over $500 million in customer funds? The NFA was the auditing regulator of Sentinel, and the NFA admitted after the Sentinel Ponzi imploded that they signed off on their audits even though the NFA claimed not fully understanding Sentinel's books or accounting methods. In other words, the NFA didn't really audit Sentinel at all - they just PRETENDED to audit them, drew up some forms, had some robosigners sign off, and then just hoped that when the crap hit the fan, everyone in the industry would be so terrified of the NFA that no one would hold the NFA accountable for their criminal malfeasance - or even talk about it.
Sentinel took customer segregated money and fraudulently used it as the collateral on a loan from Bank of New York Mellon for $312 million to fund their own in-house proprietary trading operations. When the Sentinel Ponzi collapsed, BNYM sued to go to the front of the line of creditors - ahead of the customers of Sentinel whose money was fraudulently used as collateral, which has now been "linguistically sanitized" into the word "hypothecated".
The federal appeals court ruled yesterday that not only does BNYM stay at the front of the line, but that using customer segregated funds as collateral is NOT a crime, and that co-mingling customer segregated funds with proprietary funds is NOT fraud.
Here is the Reuters piece.
Read this quote from the ruling, which is, in essence, the entire financial market paradigm being guillotined:

That Sentinel failed to keep client funds properly segregated is not, on its own, sufficient to rule as a matter of law that Sentinel acted ‘with actual intent to hinder, delay, or defraud' its customers.
U.S. Circuit Judge John D. Tinder

What this means is that even if Jon Corzine is somehow dragged into court by private citizens, because you know darn good and well that the Justice Department will never, ever touch him, Corzine now has a legal precedent, likely from a bribed or otherwise coerced Federal Appeals Court, explicitly stating that an FCM can use customer deposits to pay its debts, and that the customers themselves are subjugated and have basically no legal right to their own monies, no matter what the law says, or what legal assurances, claims or guarantees are made to that customer about their funds held with an FCM or any other brokerage or depository institution. The "secured" party at the front of the line will always be the mega-bank who made the fraudulent loan using the stolen customer funds as collateral.
In other words, all customer funds in the United States are now the legal property of JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, BNYM, or whichever megabank is the counterparty on the loans the FCM or depository institution takes out in order to fund its mega-levered proprietary in-house trading desks.
For the love of God, I don't know what more there could possibly be to say to snap you people out of your normalcy bias trance. You have GOT to get ALL MONIES out of the financial system NOW. This ruling sets precedence for every depository institution, not just futures brokerages. It is now legal in the United States for any financial institution to steal customer funds, borrow money against those funds for the uber-levered proprietary trading use of the financial institution, and the customers have ZERO CLAIM TO THEIR OWN FUNDS once they are in the custody of the financial institution.
The court has ruled that once your money passes out of your PHYSICAL POSSESSION, and I mean PHYSICAL possession, it is no longer yours, and you have no legal claim or legal recourse to it when it is stolen. This includes BANK ACCOUNTS. Money in a bank is in the possession of the BANK, not you. Do you comprehend this? The entire system is utterly devoid of any integrity or genuine security and is breaking down catastophically before our very eyes. You HAVE to comprehend that your money sitting in an account is no longer legally yours. You have to force your brain to process and comprehend this, no matter how incomprehensible it may seem. IT IS OVER. This is Marxist heck. We have arrived.
This ruling and precedent will be used by every brokerage, every bank, every insurance company and every pension fund to deny you your money when the financial system finally collapses, be it on Monday, or be it two years from now.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
You have GOT to GET OUT.
And all of this goes straight back to the criminal mafia that is the National Futures Association, and the fact that they have not actually been auditing those firms who were in the "cosa nostra", and allowing Ponzi schemes to operate with full bureaucratic protection for decades. Sentinel. PFG Best. The legal precedent enabling this protection racket and blatant fraud and thievery is fully in force, and what Corzine did at MF Global is now legally PROTECTED.
This is ecomonic treason.
Treason is a capital offense, meaning that the death penalty is fully justified, warranted and on the table, should the day ever come when a Second American Republic is established, and with it the re-establishment of the rule of law and justice in this land.

#2 CharlesFamily

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 07:06 PM

Carriage,

I love reading your posts, because I feel like my IQ goes up a couple of points each time I do - once I read through a few times and figure out what is being said (not because your writing is bad, but because you "talk" above me). So, if I'm reading this right, the money I have in the bank, the money I have in my deferred comp retirement, and the money I have paid into my retirement system can now be considered as "not mine" should they so desire? I am an intelligent person, but not fiscally intelligent. I do well enough to manage my personal funds and pay my bills, but investing and all of that just goes right over my head.

So, are we truly supposed to pull everything out of the banks? I can't actually get to any of my invested money. It's so confusing! But you are definitely right about one thing. We are so busy paying attention to petty, idiotic stuff while the truly important things going on around us go unnoticed because they are harder for us to understand. Thanks for trying to educate us!

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:23 PM

Barbara - fearmongers of any kind are usually reacting to what they think might happen as the worst case scenario however unlikely it may truly be - and often write that way to appeal to their fans and those who follow them. Basic financial advice and musings do not get you much attention, after all.

I would not change any financial affairs based on one person's carefully crafted conspiracy theories - and this person has a truckload of conspiracy theories on all sorts of topics. Even if a few good points are made, if you have to resort to fearmongering to try and get your points across, then the points were not very substantive to begin with...

Interesting style she has there, Carriage - but the presentation is severely lacking, as I have said...
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:03 PM

Tag - I do agree and was not running to my bank to pull out my meager funds. However, I do wish I understood more of the complex economics. It's such an important topic, but I just don't take the time to truly educate myself. The more educated you are on a topic, the easier it is to determine what is hype and what is truth.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 10:11 PM

What about the FDIC? As I've always understood it, up to a certain amount (which easily covers what I have in the bank!) is insured against loss by the banking institutions.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 10:55 PM

Wow. I just did a google of this "Ann". Her radical rant and burning of some pages of the Koran are no better than the rants of radical Islamists. Hatred seems to be flowing both ways and won't solve anything. Please investigate before for yourselves before you put faith in her words.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:08 PM

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 12:30 AM

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:16 AM

The more educated you are on a topic, the easier it is to determine what is hype and what is truth.


Very true, Barbara... but this Ann Barnhardt person is a lot of hype. Here is her very self-serving blog. Lots of... shall we say... interesting ... commentary there.
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#10 Carriage

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:38 AM

Wendy when you research FDIC and it's "reserves" or capacity to make good on its claim, you find that it can't really cover more than 3 percent of deposits nationwide. This has been generally known and admitted for many years.

I see much disagreement with Ann and along predictable lines. However, and as a more common tactic these days, no refutation of the facts she reveals is forth coming. Perhaps if one were to show a little more maturity and focus on the meat of the message vs spelling, grammar, sentence structure, disagreeable religious or political views or what ever other red hearing makes itself handy for you, you might glean very important information that could be of help.

The issue, isn't how likable she is to you and I'm guessing she really doesn't care, rather it's whether what she say's has veracity. From a pure financial standpoint, I haven't seen her wrong yet. I find it very curious that when somebody you align with speaks, you find no fault. But when somebody you disagree with speaks, they are "self serving" and "interesting". If one is not prepared to learn from even the disagreeable, most often one isn't prepared to learn.

If a white guy was so bigoted towards blacks that he refused to hear or read what any black guy ever said or wrote, would he not miss out on very large body of knowledge? However if said white guy were to drop his bigotry, hatred, superiority complex, well then, now he is ready to learn and reason. That alone is of great help to the slave trying to free themselves from the slave holder.

My apologies regarding distracting you from preferred distractions. I'm sure everything will be fine.




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