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#1 miniluver

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 11:46 AM

no.gif Please help me with ideas (if there are any) on ways to help a stallion drop. I purchased an undropped 2 year old stallion for breeding purposes. Did not even think to get a guarentee. He is just turning 3 and there is absolutley no sign of either side of his boy parts dropping. Without being too graphic, he does the usual colt things like mounting boys and hanging out on warm days. Someone told me last summer to go ahead and let him play around with some mares in heat. I tried that, and he did respond to them but never dropped the 2 important other parts. I realize some colts don't drop until 4 but shouldn't he at least have one partically down or something. It just makes me sick. I want to breed with him so badly. Anyone out there have any ideas. I'm afraid I have bought dud!!! ohmy.gif

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 12:04 PM

Have you had the vet check him? Sometimes young stallions will really suck up the testicles when it is cold outside. If he does not have either by now, he probably will not get them. Sometimes you may have one that has not decended by now, but not both.

At the age of three AMHA requires all stallions to have a certificate signed by the vet stating that he has both testicles. This hopefully eliminates people breeding stallions with only one testical and continuing a problem, as it is hereditary. Since your stallion does not have either yet, this could be bred into his offspring (if he ever got one or both) and be an ongoing problem for you in the future.

I bought a breeding stallion too as a yearling and by 2 1/2 he had not gotten either testicle. My vet felt that by that time, he would not be getting them. I had a real fight with the breeder, as that is what she sold him for, breeding and showing. It ended up costing me $1000 to have him gelded as the testicles were up in his belly.

When someone is selling you a stallion for breeding/ showing purposes, it is an unemplyed guarantee that the stallion you are buying will have both of his testicles. (Otherwise you could not show or breed it) I would go back to the breeder. Any breeder not standing behind their horses, is NOT a good breeder and no one should ever purchase another horse from them. If ever taken to court, the breeder would surely loose.

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE(Riverdance @ Feb 5 2008, 01:04 PM) View Post

Sometimes young stallions will really suck up the testicles when it is cold outside.


This does seem to be the case, sometimes... My young stallion, can really suck his up; but his can still be palpated in the right general location, just not hanging down. Come warmer weather, then he relaxed, and poof there they were.

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE(Riverdance @ Feb 5 2008, 01:04 PM) View Post

Have you had the vet check him? Sometimes young stallions will really suck up the testicles when it is cold outside. If he does not have either by now, he probably will not get them. Sometimes you may have one that has not decended by now, but not both.

At the age of three AMHA requires all stallions to have a certificate signed by the vet stating that he has both testicles. This hopefully eliminates people breeding stallions with only one testical and continuing a problem, as it is hereditary. Since your stallion does not have either yet, this could be bred into his offspring (if he ever got one or both) and be an ongoing problem for you in the future.

I bought a breeding stallion too as a yearling and by 2 1/2 he had not gotten either testicle. My vet felt that by that time, he would not be getting them. I had a real fight with the breeder, as that is what she sold him for, breeding and showing. It ended up costing me $1000 to have him gelded as the testicles were up in his belly.

When someone is selling you a stallion for breeding/ showing purposes, it is an unemplyed guarantee that the stallion you are buying will have both of his testicles. (Otherwise you could not show or breed it) I would go back to the breeder. Any breeder not standing behind their horses, is NOT a good breeder and no one should ever purchase another horse from them. If ever taken to court, the breeder would surely loose.



I did have the vet check him, but it was last summer. At that time he did not feel anything. Once spring hits if I still can't see anything I will definately take him back. So you are saying without a written guarentee the breeder should make good on the sale?


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Posted 05 February 2008 - 12:36 PM

Yes, you can call your vet and get a series of hormonal shots to give to your stallion. First have him vet checked as to whether he does or does not have any, and if you have a decent vet., he will give you a series of hormonal shots to give him. If it doesn't work, then he will have to do surgery. Very expensive.

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 12:51 PM

i was exactly where you are, now, several years ago.
Nothing worked. In my case, one was down, and one was up. Get your vet to have a look, and opinion.
I want to say that if he hasn't dropped at that age, that is reason enough (for me) not to use him for breeding.
After what I've been through, I realize that a horse that descends normally and presents as a stallion at a younger age is more of the ideal I want to have as a breeding prospect. This is just based on what I've observed and learned, and I wasn't always minded this way.
I DID USE my then 2-year-old monorchid on a mare, because someone told me it would help him mature and it made some type of sense to me. A colt was born the following year, and he was gelded. He also sired two more colts, which are geldings. Luckily, I did not have any fillies, even though I wanted one and was prepared to deal with the consequences of this problem. However, as I researched more (my vet felt that in my case, the retained testicle was not hereditary, and I did know every male ancestor, close and far, including full brothers, and NONE had this problem), I just realized that, to me, it's like dwarfism. I don't want to play around with it. With the number of horses being bred, I need to have an edge, since I only have a FEW per year, if that. I need to eradicate every known possibility of producing inferior horses.
So you can see my mindset changed, greatly.
I cannot tell you how many posts I have read on this very forum, as well as stories heard around the miniature horse (and big horse) world about undescended stallions/colts and the worry and concern it costs their owners, as well as the breeders. I don't know 100% if it IS genetic, and in some cases it may NOT be, I am not a vet nor genetic researcher. My choice is just based on my somewhat informed opinion.
I hope your boy is descended, and you're just somehow missing them. smile.gif
I did have one of those cases in a 1.5 year old colt. In that case, his testicles were so small, I did not know what I was feeling, and since I DID buy him for breeding, I was somewhat panicked. My vet showed me what was what, though, and they were both there, they were just quite small. They did grow quite a bit within 6 months, so there was no mistaking that both WERE there.
Two years old is pretty much my own cutoff, and that can depend on nutritional issues. I have seen a descended colt (all three of the colts from the monorchid stallion were perfectly normal) pull them right back up during a period of nutritional deficiency. When he began getting adequate feed, they came back down.


Good luck and let us know what your vet says. smile.gif


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Posted 05 February 2008 - 01:08 PM

I'm sorry you're dealing with this, but nothing will make them drop if the ingunial ring is already closed. Your vet should be able to palpate this standing, or if the horse is nervous, sedate and lay him down. We had a colt that was intended to be gelded anyway that I was concerned was a crypt. We layed him down, immediately found the testicles, and castrated him immediately. If the ring is closed, I'm sorry but you shouldn't breed this particular horse. Like others, it's a trait I find HIGHLY undesireable in stallions and all crypts, regardless of pedigree or conformation are gelded at my house.
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Posted 05 February 2008 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE(txminipinto @ Feb 5 2008, 02:08 PM) View Post

I'm sorry you're dealing with this, but nothing will make them drop if the ingunial ring is already closed. Your vet should be able to palpate this standing, or if the horse is nervous, sedate and lay him down. We had a colt that was intended to be gelded anyway that I was concerned was a crypt. We layed him down, immediately found the testicles, and castrated him immediately. If the ring is closed, I'm sorry but you shouldn't breed this particular horse. Like others, it's a trait I find HIGHLY undesireable in stallions and all crypts, regardless of pedigree or conformation are gelded at my house.


Oh, this makes me really nervous and sad. I had thought I had finally found the stallion I was looking for.I just feel sick about it. I know, maybe I am just missing them. I am also worried that if they aren't dropped how do I deal with the breeder that I got him from. If she says she will take him back, I'm sad also cause I really like the little guy. If I keep him, I will have to have the expensive surgery. Excuse my pity party, I am just really disappointed.


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Posted 05 February 2008 - 01:47 PM

I agree vet check him. I had a stud last year I wanted to use. I couldnt find both only one. So I had the vet check them. She confirmed they were both there, I just couldnt find the second one. After a year of breeding they are both very visable.

I also agree if he isnt down, I wouldnt be useing him for breeding.
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Posted 05 February 2008 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE(miniluver @ Feb 5 2008, 01:33 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Riverdance @ Feb 5 2008, 01:04 PM) View Post

Have you had the vet check him? Sometimes young stallions will really suck up the testicles when it is cold outside. If he does not have either by now, he probably will not get them. Sometimes you may have one that has not decended by now, but not both.

At the age of three AMHA requires all stallions to have a certificate signed by the vet stating that he has both testicles. This hopefully eliminates people breeding stallions with only one testical and continuing a problem, as it is hereditary. Since your stallion does not have either yet, this could be bred into his offspring (if he ever got one or both) and be an ongoing problem for you in the future.

I bought a breeding stallion too as a yearling and by 2 1/2 he had not gotten either testicle. My vet felt that by that time, he would not be getting them. I had a real fight with the breeder, as that is what she sold him for, breeding and showing. It ended up costing me $1000 to have him gelded as the testicles were up in his belly.

When someone is selling you a stallion for breeding/ showing purposes, it is an unemplyed guarantee that the stallion you are buying will have both of his testicles. (Otherwise you could not show or breed it) I would go back to the breeder. Any breeder not standing behind their horses, is NOT a good breeder and no one should ever purchase another horse from them. If ever taken to court, the breeder would surely loose.



I did have the vet check him, but it was last summer. At that time he did not feel anything. Once spring hits if I still can't see anything I will definately take him back. So you are saying without a written guarentee the breeder should make good on the sale?


A good responsible breeder will make good on the sale. Unfortunatly not all breeders are good and responsible. IGood luck with yours. I hope it all works out well. I too will not use a horse for breeding that does not have their testicles by 2, but a breeder should replace your horse if he does not have them by 3.



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