election next time around

Minimor wrote,

But when the whole family is about as crooked as a dog's hind leg, then IMO no matter how wonderful the policies that person does not belong in the presidents office.

So the good and honorable policies are somehow made of no account because of what other individuals did? John should not have been president because of what other family members had done prior to him becoming President? Hmmm.... Seems like Bill Clinton's brother should have disqualified him using that logic.

Again nothing of factual substance is brought to the table. This was about John, not his whole family.

But then, I'm just passin through,

You know what Bob? You have your opinions and others of us have ours. Belittle us all you like if it makes you feel more right to do so. You put JFK on a pedestal. Many others don't see him as being lily white when it comes to crookedness. You don't like that view that's your problem not mine.

What is sad is many here are afraid to speak out against you. Hard to have a decent discussion when some are hiding. I would like to hear from them but looks like that Won't happen.

I would point out that you have been wrong at least once before on this board...so you are not 100% correct 100% of the time.

There now you can belittle this post too. Enjoy yourself.

Well, ok but a decent discussion usually doesn't start out with "pfft". I've been wrong far more than once and I am constantly trying to learn more. That process also doesn't start of with "pfft". You started with an attack and are finishing with an attack and still have brought no cogent counter discussion to back your assertion.

Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose for this board and it's warnings. I assure you I do understand psychological manipulation as well and will stand down so that the "afraid" may feel free to speak without fear of discussion in the alternative or correction. Course the folk that approach me back channel feel differently and thank me for speaking truth. They too are nervous at times in standing up to bullies.

However, and in closing, I do think that JFK was one of the greatest and for the reasons stated. As to who is a good one going forward? At this point I am not sure there is a one I can be comfortable with and I am quite concerned for the future of Liberty and it's attendant freedom.

Thanks for your time.

This is way off the original topic, but here goes my thoughts. With the problems in Baltimore now and what we have had for months, I thought of JFK's speech "Ask not what your country can do for you, etc" President Obama, in my opinion, lost the opportunity to unify the men and women of color by having his own speech that would energize whole generations the same way Kennedy did with his very powerful speech. Six years gone to waste while his eyes were on the Middle East ignoring the problems here at home. I also think Pres Kennedy was one of our best among others. No, I would not vote for Hillary. As a woman I don't like being told who to vote for.

My pessimistic post previously predicted a win for ole girl for the nomination and the presidency. I am thinking the odds may have gone up/down, depending on how you look at it. She might not get it after all. She seems to be steadily being exposed as her own worst enemy. Heck, almost certain enough that Carpe Diem was going to be in the top two winning positions in the Kentucky Derby yesterday that had I resorted to my old habits betting on a race I would have been willing to place him top and bottom of the field for an exacta. Good thing I did not bet, huh? Right now I don't think I would even be good at picking my nose. Hope this streak continues.

Taking a trip down old posts and seeing that Hiliar will in fact likely get the nomination. I will keep it in KISS perspective (keep it simple stupid) terms as to whether or not I would vote for her. Simply put: I would not eat a turd simply because it looked like a Tootsie Roll.

What do you think of the Republican options?

I've pretty much decided, it's Cruz for me. Has been since the beginning pretty much. I will support whoever gets the nomination though, I can not support Hildabeast (Jill's nickname for her) or socialist Sanders. The two Republican candidates I really have a hard time with is Bush and Christie, if one of them gets the nomination I may just stay home on Election Day!

I've been very surprised by Cruz, I heard so much about him being a great debater but I haven't seen any of that from him. But to be fair, its hard to put forth any opinion when Trump gets more time than any of the other candidates.

Cruz definitely needs to show a side of him that will connect wth people. I'm hoping he's just holding back and will show that soon.

I don't want Trump or even Carson. I like Carson too. As much as we all know politicians will be politicians (liars regardless of the party affiliation) I do believe we need someone in there who can play the game. Cruz is not the establishment Republican, Bush is a perfect example of that.

Second for me would be Rubio...I haven't picked a third yet.

I have never voted democrat. Not saying I would never either...if they actually had a viable option I may consider it if Bush or Christie got the republican nomination. Clinton and Sanders are not that option for me, that's for sure!

There's a lot of time left so I really have no clue as to who will get it...history has proven that candidates with super low poll numbers have come in like a wrecking ball near the end and got the nomination, I hope that doesn't happen, Bush has some of the lowest numbers right now, he also has the backing of the establishment right now which is very unfortunate IMO.

Fiddle-sticks, I missed out on some political discussion.

I don't know about the evils of JFK. I do remember when he was killed. I was pre-school. It was around lunch-time. My mother is (well, was... she's dead now) a Catholic, German immigrant. We didn't have a television, but the news came on the radio (which was only turned on once in the morning and once mid-day to listen to the weather report.) My sister and brothers came home for lunch from school and my mother made us all get on our knees to pray. Later that day, we went to a neighbors house so she could view the news on TV (which we weren't allowed to watch.) I cannot know now (since, she's gone) but I think a large part of her distress may have been the affront to a country she loved/appreciated.

That said.... No democrats for me. They spend too much money. All politicians spend too much money, but it seems to me that the democrats are worse. I quit working because our tax bill was so high. I want a legislature and president that stops spending money they don't have. I want them to stop spending an butt-ton of money on interest on a massive debt. ...wishful thinking.

I don't want to not exercise my right to vote. That being said, by voting time I will have to decide on who the least worst is. I believe we have just gone too far from our founding fathers' deep convictions, by George. They credited God with America's military success and national prosperity. We have gone a long way in the wrong direction since 1776. Too bad, so sad. Ugh, ugh, ugh..........I seem to be limited to wishful thinking as well.

What did you all think of last night? The subject topic was a very important one but I felt they could of taken a little time to talk about something else. I did change my views alittle. I didn't think Cruz did that well, so I was disappointed but he still has my vote. I didn't like how he was interrupting and talking above others. Rubio lost me. Carson moved up in his spot....and my third choice is Trump....I can't believe I just said that. On a personal level there are so many things I dislike about the man.

Nobody really shined last night IMO. I can't stand Carly, she doesn't belong there. Her Margaret Thatcher comment was totally out of place and she is playing the "woman" card. Rand also irritated me....and Bush, I wish he'd just go away! The exchange between him and Trump was very entertaining though. I don't care for Christie but I thought he did well, didn't shine, but he might of done the best.

I haven't looked at the polls this morning, not that they are trustworthy anyhow. What did you all think?

I missed most of it, having gone to the local school's band concert. What little I listened to showed me nobody's yes was a yes and nobody's no was a no. In fact, they were playing it safe and not answering questions with a yes or no, but instead rambling or telling a story. I think even the 6th grade band was more in tune than the people yapping at the debate. What little I saw provided me little insight. I thought Ben Carson was confident and classy. If he could come up with a plan to surgically remove the cancers from the judicial, legislative, and executive branches I would be willing to listen.

I watched it after going to my grandson's recital. So many I didn't like and think should step down. Cruz found his voice and didn't want to shut up. Christy made some valid points but so didn't Bush. Don't like either of them. Rubio showed his weekness on world issues and should also quit. Carly should also stop running, we don't need a woman running because of Hilary.That leaves Carson who I like but think is too nice to be taken seriously and then there is Trump. I noticed he let some of them talk but the others he mugged for the camera knowing the split would be on him and the focus would also be. The debates have been a total waste of time. I agree they didn't answer the questions just rattled on.

I agree, they did a lot of talking but didn't say much. The field definitely needs to narrow so folks can concentrate on a select few instead of a dozen plus.

I didn't even watch it; my puke-meter has already pegged.

There's a reason Trump is out in front. In my opinion, there's a portion of the American public that's fed up with political correctness. And Trump says off-the-wall things that some people agree with, apparently.

I'm really afraid that he may disrupt the republican party so much that HC is elected our first lady president. He is just to outrageous to be taken seriously and having heard the rumors early on that he's in cahoots with the Clintons to make it easier for her election process, I'm beginning to believe those rumors. He donates to her fund, they attend weddings together and now he's badmouthing both of them, doesn't figure. Ben Carson isn't part of the political system and is falling in the poles yet he makes more sense then most.

I believe his past hobnobbing with them and donating to the Clinton (hahahahaha) Foundation was all just tit for tat in his business dealings. He readily admits that he is a businessman. I think if and when it gets down to a debate he will get down and dirty with her. That is going to be the only way to beat her. Look at what all she has gotten away with. Totally Teflon. If anyone can sling something on her that will stick he will be the one. Trump is so politically incorrect that he is starting to grow on me. If that is what it takes to thwart the evil queen so be it. I just hope if he is the nominee he comes up with a brilliant choice for VP.

Even now I hope he surrounds himself with qualified people to school him areas where he is lacking.